"Under God"

plywoody

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The pledge worked well for this country for a long time without the words "under god" in it.<br /><br />Are those that don't believe in this god unpatriotic? Or should they be forced to simply become liars?
 

ob

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It also works well with the words.<br /><br />Your last trolling comment doesn't deserve a reponse.You really should consider taking up wood carving or log rolling.
 

mikeandronda

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Plywoody your qoute of<br /><br />"Why is whether a poll shows one thing or another even an issue? If we relied on polls in this country, we would still have a segregated south."<br /><br />Is Absolutely ridiculas......So what are you gonna do when the "minority" decides the useing wood products is wrong and demand we only use plastics from now on, or the minority decides hunting and fishing is cruel........The magority has rights too. If 85% want the words Under God in their pledge it should be there. 15% hardly constitutes changing something that so many believe in. As time goes on Ply your arguements are becomeing less and less impressive and more and more just trolls. :rolleyes:
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Originally posted by mellowyellow:<br />the very next word after God is "indivisible"...<br />wearing a tee-shirt right now that has our flag<br />and the words; "united we stand". just how many<br />non-issues that divide and conquer us do we have<br />to deal with today? politics in 21st century?<br />liberals have their issues, conservatives have<br />their's... what about our leaders UNITING this<br />great country?<br />so sad IMHO...
Good point MY, but it will never happen, not in our life time anyway.<br />It's just like a tug-a-war right now between the 2 partys.<br />Sad, very sad.
 

Boomyal

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Originally posted by mikeandronda:<br />So what are you gonna do when the "minority" decides the useing wood products is wrong and demand we only use plastics from now on, or the minority decides hunting and fishing is cruel........ :rolleyes:
Rest assured, mikeandronda, at the rate we are going, that is exactly where we are headed! In this instance you would think that Plywoody et al, was being asked to drink a cup of hemlock by being exposed to the the word or concept of God.<br /><br />Their reaction is way out of proportion to any objection or disbelief they may have to exposure to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So why then this unrelenting onslaught? There is absolutely no doubt that it goes well beyond any concern over 'seperation of Church and State', unfairness, exclusion, diversity, multiculteralism, etc & ad nauseum. <br /><br />Why is it that this 'group' has had to so cleverly couch their true objectives in benign terms that gain the support of the unthinking, over-cerebral, progressive types that are only an unwitting part of their program?<br /><br />All of the arguements supporting the retention of 'under God' are pointless if one does not accept this one single True Fact. The object here is not to just send us poor feeble misguided Christians back to our homes and Churches, it is to Destroy Christianity.<br /><br />Antonio Gramsci, the turn of the century Italian Marxist and revolutionary, stated that 'two thousand years of Christianity had made the Western soul impenetrable to Marxism'. <br /><br />He stated that 'Marxists must cooperate with progressives to capture the institutions that shape the souls of the young, ie, the schools, colleges, movies, music, arts and the new mass media radio that comes uncencored into every home. That once the cultural institutions were captured that a united left could begin the de-Christianization of the West.'<br /><br />He stated that after several generations the West would no longer be the West but another civilization altogether, and that control of the State would inevitably follow the control of the culture.<br /><br />The evidence is all around us folks. Gramsci's 'Long March' is headed toward the finish line. As C.S. Lewis said "As Christians we are tempted to make unnecessary concessions to those outside the faith. We give in too much...there comes a time when we must show that we disagree. We must show our true Christian colours, if we are to be true to Jesus Christ. We cannot remain Silent or concede everything away"<br /><br />Amidst all that has been said regarding religion (Christianity) in our society T.S. Elliot, in 1939, wrote "A people without religion will in the end find that it has nothing to live for"<br /><br />I'll leave you with the following speech by Earl Warren, Chief Justice in 1954. " I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the Spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses...Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia...or to the Charter of New England...or to the Charter of Massachusetts Bay...or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut.. the same objective is present: a Christian land governed by Christian Principles."
 

rodbolt

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hello<br /> my humble opinion is if ya dont wish to say"under God" then dont. dont make a fuss just dont. when I signed 3 times and took a pledge twice and became a constructive member of the United States Navy we were pointedly given the option to NOT say the phrase "under God" but all had to recite the rest. the muslims and jews and others I served with all served honerably as well. we even had one muslim that at the outbreak of the only persian gulf war he went to the captain and explained his religious beliefs and the capt wisly had him transfered. we hated to see him go but it was for his and our best intrests. others were not so honerable and decided to perform acts of sedition and sabotage and were delt with accordingly.<br /> so do I recite the "under God" phrase? yes. do I think my jewish and muslim as well as agnostic and atheist or wiccan friens should? by all means no.<br /> if our current and past presidents had as much balls as this 9 year old girl and just said no we would not be in near the quagmaire we are in.<br /> I Took an oath to defend with my life, your right to NOT say under God or To say Under God. I dont think any law should be able to say you have to or you have not to say the "under God" phrase.<br /> just my humble opinion<br /> :) <br /> yall have a nyce day now ya heah :)
 

Boomyal

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Here, Here Rodbolt, but they won't leave it at that, will they?
 

plywoody

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So not having prayers, or references to god, made mandatory in our public schools, is going to destroy Christianity???<br /><br />That's not much of a faith you ascribe to, or you are pretty ineffectual parents.<br /><br />It's a pretty simple concept. If I, as a father, wish to convey some different notion of faith than the notion that there is one god, whatever that notion is, to my child, it is not the government's role to tell my child that her father is wrong. As conservatives, who say they want to limit the role government plays in our lives, surely you can understand this simple concept. <br /><br />And your analogy, M&R is completely incomprehensible. You need someone to explain what the "Bill of Rights" means.<br /><br />And the majority can choose whatever building products they like, and I have not one thing to say about it, unless the courts rule them unconstitutional, and then I'd like to know why.
 

mikeandronda

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Hey Plywoody show me in the Constitution were it says that it is unlawful to have the words under God in our pledge and as for being ineffectual parents, please tell me why you felt the need to say that when this is not about prayer in schools.....oh yes more liberal sidestepping, quick change the issue so I dont have to answer the real question........Please explain to me what you think the Bill of rights means......I suppose your gonna tell me you have the right to be what ever religion you want to be. Well im here to say this includes being Christian.In no way are you forced to say the words "under God" Whats next people like you petitioning for churches to have to take down their crosses, I mean why should you have to look at that right? :mad: The magority wants "under God" in there it should stay........ :mad:
 

Boomyal

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Plywoody, you are undoubtedly a very bright guy. This I cannot deny. But in this instance I will go a step further and spell it out for you.<br /> Step one: Denigrate the religion.<br /><br /> Step two: By judicial fiat, put the genie back in the bottle so that no one can ever use religion as a basis for any moral decisions ie, handing out condoms in school, homosexuality, pornography, widespread abortion, personal responsibily (or lack thereof) etc, etc. Make it so that any sense of right and wrong can be based on each of our own 'brilliant rationalizations'. Isolate our children, whether active participants in religion or not, from understanding that we as a society have a set of guidelines that were not simply made up at the whim of whoever had the biggest loud speaker.<br /><br /> Step three: step in amongst the chaos with a new Authority who now will have you and me by the short hairs.<br /><br />Come on Plywoody, I ain't askin you to get down on your knees and Pray (although you ought to). I'm just asking you to use your quite substantial intellectual powers to look back at history, connect the dots and see how the America that was born out of Christianity stacks up against all that came before. Then know, like man himself, this country did not just materialize out of thin air.
 
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