Truck question.

[jkust]

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Just curious how many of you have owned a gas powered supercharged/turbo charged engine? I've owned one in my years and the torque was astonishing but MPG's were less than the identical engine but without the supercharger option. I'd have no qualms about a 6 cylinder forced induction engine.

 

[bruceb58]

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It will be my daily driver.

So out of curiosity, how does you out of pocket expense compare now than when you had your GM Duramax? Sounds like you went down when you went the Chrysler 300/ Ford Excursion route. Did it now go up more than where you started with the Duramax?

 

[Scott Danforth]

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So out of curiosity, how does you out of pocket expense compare now than when you had your GM Duramax? Sounds like you went down when you went the Chrysler 300/ Ford Excursion route. Did it now go up more than where you started with the Duramax?

:boink: ouch

 

[QC]

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Just curious how many of you have owned a gas powered supercharged/turbo charged engine?

I have owned a few gas powered Turbo engines. The VW I bought for my son has over 130,000 miles on it and have never replaced an exhaust or combustion related component. I don't know about fuel comparison to a non-Turbo version of anything I've owned as I have never had both, same vintage. You'd also have to compare two models with the same horsepower for it even to be a close comparison. Not sure how to do that with some very rare exceptions. i.e. a 180 bhp I4 Turbo vs. a 180 bhp V6 NA. That would be the only way to compare and have any confidence in the data.

 

[oldjeep]

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Just curious how many of you have owned a gas powered supercharged/turbo charged engine? I've owned one in my years and the torque was astonishing but MPG's were less than the identical engine but without the supercharger option. I'd have no qualms about a 6 cylinder forced induction engine.

Dad had a grand am 2.0L turbo coupe when I was in highschool. Only thing I remember about that car was that it was scary quick and ate turbos like they were lunch.

 

[agallant80]

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So out of curiosity, how does you out of pocket expense compare now than when you had your GM Duramax? Sounds like you went down when you went the Chrysler 300/ Ford Excursion route. Did it now go up more than where you started with the Duramax?

Its about $350 less a month. Some of that is payment and some of it is per mile fuel cost. No maintenance has been added in to the equation. Lesson learned, I need a truck and Diesel it too much for a daily driver. With that said the Ghetto Sled, I mean Chrysler 300 was a nice car.

 

[four winns 214]

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What happened to the Excursion? And the Chrysler?

 

[gtochris]

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After rereading, I see you dont pull far at all. For some reason I thought you pulled long distances, I may have saw something in your blog. I dont think I would go diesel. A half ton would do you fine for those distances.

150 miles isnt exactly around the block......

 

[agallant80]

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150 miles isnt exactly around the block......

Its 150 miles each way....

 

[agallant80]

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What happened to the Excursion? And the Chrysler?

I had a Diesel 2500 and got the brilliant idea to save money by buying a V10 excursion for boat pulling/Home Depot runs and a Chrysler 300 for commuting and visiting my family up in DC. It was signifantly cheaper than driving the 2500 every day. Plan worked until two weekends ago when the motor blew in the Excursion. Blocked a lane of traffic and was 125 miles away from home with my boat in tow.

$800 later and 6 hours I was back home with my boat in the street and the excursion in the driveway. At this point the wife looks at me and says if you fix that truck please sell it because I will never trust it again and it will make it difficult to enjoy the boat knowing we have to go home in it. Well I was not heart broken when she said that.

 

[gtochris]

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Its 150 miles each way....

I meant it for the fellow implying an easy trip. That distance in different parts of the country can call for all different types of terrain (hills/ overpasses).

So what did you trade in? Chrysler?

My co-worker has an Ecoboost and tows a 24ft Bayliner, the MPG's really suffer when towing (9-10), but he likes the truck and it has been good to him. Good luck and post Pictures!

 

[four winns 214]

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I had a Diesel 2500 and got the brilliant idea to save money by buying a V10 excursion for boat pulling/Home Depot runs and a Chrysler 300 for commuting and visiting my family up in DC. It was signifantly cheaper than driving the 2500 every day. Plan worked until two weekends ago when the motor blew in the Excursion. Blocked a lane of traffic and was 125 miles away from home with my boat in tow.

$800 later and 6 hours I was back home with my boat in the street and the excursion in the driveway. At this point the wife looks at me and says if you fix that truck please sell it because I will never trust it again and it will make it difficult to enjoy the boat knowing we have to go home in it. Well I was not heart broken when she said that.

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Sorry I wasn't specific enough. What was the disposition of the Excursion and Chrysler in this latest vehicle swap? Did you keep them, sell them, or trade them?

 

[agallant80]

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Sorry I wasn't specific enough. What was the disposition of the Excursion and Chrysler in this latest vehicle swap? Did you keep them, sell them, or trade them?

I still have the excursion. Waiting for my neighbor mechanic to get back from playing National Guard to fix. I will have to replace a head if I am lucky but More than likely I will be putting a used motor in it. One way or the other it will get fixed and fixed properly then listed on ebay or craigslist.

As for the 300 it was traded in on the F150. The f150 is the daily driver now.

 

[jkust]

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I have owned a few gas powered Turbo engines. The VW I bought for my son has over 130,000 miles on it and have never replaced an exhaust or combustion related component. I don't know about fuel comparison to a non-Turbo version of anything I've owned as I have never had both, same vintage. You'd also have to compare two models with the same horsepower for it even to be a close comparison. Not sure how to do that with some very rare exceptions. i.e. a 180 bhp I4 Turbo vs. a 180 bhp V6 NA. That would be the only way to compare and have any confidence in the data.

That one car I had back when was a 97 Bonneville SSEi (meaning supercharged) and the base engine was the same less the supercharger. Kind of unusual to have offer the same engine with and without forced induction though do recall some really early non-intercooled turbo 2.0's with the same concept.

Dad had a grand am 2.0L turbo coupe when I was in highschool. Only thing I remember about that car was that it was scary quick and ate turbos like they were lunch.

My buddy had one of those right after highschool...it was the old boxy style. Seemed like such a cool car back then.

 

[Slide]

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Well, in general I agree. However, diesel engines generally have more robust components that can accept the heat/pressure associated with forced induction. The issue with gasser turbos/superchargers is that many engine designs were made as NA (and thus lighter-weight, then turbos added on after the fact. Having turbos just means more components to fail (expensive components), but they usually hold their own when not abused.

Like I mentioned, it's a difficult thing to get American truck buyers to accept the turbo-V6 over the V8, but Ford seems to have been doing a good job so far. The 2015 F-150 being 700+lbs lighter will be another "time will tell" design change.

The Ecoboost motors were designed from the ground up as forced induction motors. They won't exhibit premature failures like a NA motor with aftermarket turbos added.

 

[jbetzelb]

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The Ecoboost motors were designed from the ground up as forced induction motors. They won't exhibit premature failures like a NA motor with aftermarket turbos added.

The ecoboost is also direct injection and has the same type of low end torque curve a diesel has. I suspect you will love it as a daily driver and a pull vehicle. Anyone that doubts them has not pulled with one. As noted above, the mileage is good if your keep your foot out of it but a heavy foot or heavy load and the mileage is a little less than a standard V8. The ecoboost will pull 10,000 pounds on any hill you want. The F150 has a great antisway system and solid braking ability. I do wonder if they will lose a little max tow limit when they lose 700 pounds next year. F150 is currently the heaviest half ton out there.

 

[agallant80]

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The ecoboost is also direct injection and has the same type of low end torque curve a diesel has.

That is the first thing I thought. The boat was towed back to the house and I had to get it off the street before the city did not nice things to it. I hooked her up and was amazed at the torque curve, the neadle did not go over 3K once, she just pulls away from a stop like nothing is back there. In terms of pulling and stopping its a lot like my 2500 Duramax was. It appears that ford did a great job but time will tell for me.

 

[bruceb58]

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I take it you got the 3.73 rear axle?

 

[agallant80]

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I take it you got the 3.73 rear axle?

yup