Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

[Bondo]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Also, is gasoline OK to soak bearings, and nuts from the tires in?

I'd use Kerosene, or Diesel,....... They're Alot Less Flamable.........<br />

Bearing is not seized to the race, the opening on either side of the race have a slightly smaller diameter than the bearing can fit through without damaging.

The Bearing,+ the Hub,+ Everything Else Should just Slide Off the Quill........<br /><br />I'd say that the Bearing is Probably Siezed to the Axle(Quill)..........

So... I should drift punch out the race piece, can get bearing out?

No,........ Grab the Hub,+ Pull.........<br /><br />Once the Nut has been Removed,.........<br />The Complete Hub Assembley is Supposed to be Free,+ Removeable..........<br /><br />Yank the damn thing Off...........

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

I think you need to study the picture of a hub, bearing and spindle some more. The back side of the hub has a seal in it to keep the grease from leaking out. Obviously that needs to be removed to get the inner bearing out. It cannot be re-used. Drive the rear bearing out and it will come out with the bearing. The front one falls out. Races are driven out.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

I use a citrus orange degreaser, don't remember the brand, whatever they sell at AutoZone or Walmart - works great, easy on your hands, wipes clean with a cloth.<br /><br />Starting from the front of the hub working toward the back you have:<br />1 - outer bearing<br />2 - outer race<br />3 - empty space<br />4 - inner race<br />5 - inner bearing<br />6 - seal<br /><br />The parts are identified here on this image from a bearing kit on iboats:<br /><br />

<br /><br />The seal is just inside the very edge of the back of the hub (side that faces the trailer frame).<br /><br />Is it the seal preventing your inner bearing from falling out the hub? Take a screwdriver or vise-grip pliers and pry it out - it's ok if you tear it up, you have to replace it anyway. Once the seal is out the inner bearing will fall out.<br /><br />The races have to be driven out. The outer race will only come out the front, and the inner will only come out the back.<br /><br />Yours might have a tapered spindle so one bearing might be bigger than the other, but they'll look pretty much like the picture.<br /><br />That's also a standard kit you can find at BassPro or Cabelas or most any marine store, not more than $15.

 

[summerwind1991]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Thank you. Spot on I had to take a screw driver to remove seal. The inner bearing diameter is larger than the outside diameter. Now that I've got the dang thing apart, your folks advice makes more sense. I may need a new inner bearing(the larger one) however it is a used older 1993 trailer. Maybe the bearings are over due anyway.. to be replaced?<br /><br />I have noticed most bearing kits do not include a seal. Is there a strong bearing brand I should look for. Why wouldn't they include a seal in a bearing package?<br /><br />Thank you.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Age of trailer shouldn't make any difference - just a few standard sizes, haven't changed in forever. Unless yours is homemade with oddball sizes. I don't recall seeing any packaged kits without seals...championtrailers.com has kits for tapered spindles...there will be numbers stamped into the races, bearings and seals...just match those. They also sell the individual parts. <br /><br />DO get some emory cloth and polish the spindle. Remove all the discoloration.<br /><br />An easy solution is to go down to your Bass Pro Shop or Academy Sports and get a replacement hub - with the races & seal already seated - about $40 for non-tapered, yours is probably a bit higher. Then go ahead and fix the old one & carry it as a spare.

 

[summerwind1991]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Thank you JTexas. Almost seems easier just to purchase thehub bearings and races for $40.<br /><br />Are the races supposed to come out easily or need alittle tapping.<br /><br />the inner bearing's diameter is larger than the outher bearings,,does that mean a tapered spindle. I do not believe its an odd ball trailer as it is Sea Ray model.<br /><br />Are Bearing Buddy's a necessity? Thank you.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Tapping the races out is an understatement. As was pointed out several times they are "DRIVEN" out. The simple solution for you is to clean up the hub. Take the bearings and seal with you to your local NAPA or auto supply store that does shop work. They will not only have the bearings, they will remove the old races and install the new ones for a small fee.

 

[summerwind1991]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Thanks Upinsmoke!

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

impo, yes buddy bearing are a necessity, the make servicing your hubs easier. after every launch and retrieve in salt water i give them a shot of grease which helps keep the water out.

 

[rwidman]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Originally posted by tashasdaddy:<br /> impo, yes buddy bearing are a necessity, the make servicing your hubs easier. after every launch and retrieve in salt water i give them a shot of grease which helps keep the water out.

You're either overfilling them or the grease is leaking out somewhere. Grease is not consumed in normal operation.

 

[rwidman]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Originally posted by summerwind1991:<br /> Also, is gasoline OK to soak bearings, and nuts from the tires in?

No. Gasoline can explode and/or burn. Use something safer. An auto parts store will have appropriate products.

 

[rwidman]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Originally posted by Jack L:<br /> I use a single jack stand under the fram as close a possible to axle on each side. For the front I get a handful of 8" x 16" cement blocks at the front to rest the toungue on. <br />

Cement blocks are not suited for this use and are unsafe. They can crack and/or crumble. It's best to use an additional jack stand under the tongue or two jack stands under the frame close to the tongue.

 

[SwampNut]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

No. Gasoline can explode and/or burn. Use something safer. An auto parts store will have appropriate products.

Not only that, but exposure to gas fumes and touching gas is very bad for your health.<br /><br />Appropriate cleaners are best, but even kerosene and diesel are fairly safe.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Bearing buddies maintain a little bit of internal pressure which helps to keep water from entering. But water being what it is, a little bit might enter anyway sometimes. Don't ask me how, I'm not a physicist. True, if you have to shoot grease into your hubs every time you drive, it's coming out somewhere...but, it is displacing the water, hopefully. And if you blow a seal, you can easily tell by visual inspection or feeling around in there.<br /><br />Even if a seal is blown, you can keep grease on the bearings til you get it fixed.<br /><br />I wouldn't leave home without 'em!

 

[summerwind1991]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

I was thinking of using "Parts Master" Brake & parts cleaner vs gasoline.<br /><br />Is it completely necessary to remove races, or can hub just be repacked with equivalent success?<br /><br />Choose "Wolfs Head" Red grease for bearing, says water resistant.<br /><br />For my expectations on bearing l68149 for , should the distance between outer ring and slight distance between inner ring be completely and thoroughly clean. Currently I can view some old grease. Thank you.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

You cannot use old races with new bearings. If you re-use the same bearing there is no need to replace the race. Just make sure the race is serviceable -- no pits, gauling, metal smearing, or rust are visible. If you can feel it with your fingernail its toast.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

right, repack it if it's completely clean...any discoloration at all, I say chunk it. Races and bearings are like Canadian Geese - they mate for life. Don't change one without the other. And if you reuse 'em, don't mix 'em up. <br /><br />I think it's best to get all the old grease out, just on general principle. And be sure the bearing is chock full of grease when you install it.<br /><br />Did you determine the cause it locking up? Seems like you'd want to replace all those parts just to be on the safe side.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> right, repack it if it's completely clean...any discoloration at all, I say chunk it. Races and bearings are like Canadian Geese - they mate for life. Don't change one without the other. And if you reuse 'em, don't mix 'em up. <br /><br />I think it's best to get all the old grease out, just on general principle. And be sure the bearing is chock full of grease when you install it.<br /><br />Did you determine the cause it locking up? Seems like you'd want to replace all those parts just to be on the safe side.

Agreed,......<br /><br />Agreed,......... Do you know HOW to repack a bearing,..???......<br /><br />Ayuh,........ The Suspense is Killing Me..........<br /><br />I don't See any reason for a Lock-Up yet,......<br /><br />there's Got to be some Broken Parts,......... Somewhere...........

 

[summerwind1991]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

The races seem fine and smooth and shiny not grooves. Will not use new bearings with out getting new races so I will just repack. That is the front tire of the dual axle.<br /><br />Now the back tire on that port side of the trailer has the brake. There is this very rusted cap, diameter approx 10" and 3" deep and rusted. Has the 5 lugs protruding but there doesn't seem to be a away to pulloff directly unless I reach around back of the hub / brack area and loosen some nuts not sure. But lots of rust.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Trailer Tire smoked and froze up

Originally posted by summerwind1991:<br /> Now the back tire on that port side of the trailer has the brake. There is this very rusted cap, diameter approx 10" and 3" deep and rusted. Has the 5 lugs protruding but there doesn't seem to be a away to pulloff directly unless I reach around back of the hub / brack area and loosen some nuts not sure. But lots of rust.

That's the Brake Drum,............<br /><br />It comes Off,... WITH the Hub.......<br />Not Nuts in the Back,..... Leave them Alone,... they hold the Brake Backing Plate in place.........