Towing capacity - opinions needed

Silvertip

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

With respect to the OP he is just asking if this is doable. I do not think that being 20 lbs over the RECOMMENDED limit is worth getting into a peeing contest. He found the boat that he likes so let him use his current Honda....it my not be the optimal towing package but it won't be the catastrophic disaster that some are suggesting. Maybe he will find out that his vehicle is capable for now until he can trade up to something more optimal.

You missed the point. If you put people and gear into or on the vehicle, you may be exceeding the tow rating by an equivalent amount -- not just the 20 pounds..
 

bigdee

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You missed the point. If you put people and gear into or on the vehicle, you may be exceeding the tow rating by an equivalent amount -- not just the 20 pounds..
Like I said, let's not get in a peeing contest. Adding people and cargo will take-away from his tongue weight capacity which for his small rig should be negligible. Does this mean he has the optimal towing package? NO....but is it doable in a common sense way of thinking.....I think it is. I bet that the OP will be AWARE of the load he is pulling and will drive responsibly....I cannot always say the same for the complacent guy driving his diesel dually pulling a pontoon down the highway at 75 mph!
 

Titanium48

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

Are the vehicles equipped with the identical packages? The same brakes? Suspension? Once you exceed the suggested maximums then you take your chances.....what we are dealing with is more than just the ability to move the load back and forth down the street, you need to be able to stop and corner safely as well. GVW, towing capacities, tongue weights, and axle weights all come into play......and most people have no clue regarding any of them.

Finally we're getting to the things that actually limit towing ability.

Trailer tongue weight needs to be high enough to provide stability against sway. Most sources I've seen suggest a minimum of about 10% of the total trailer weight, while others suggest that boats can be stable with as little as 7%. You also need to make sure you don't overload the rear axle of the tow vehicle. The heavier the trailer and/or the lighter the tow vehicle, the closer these numbers are and the more attention to detail is required from the operator. Total cargo capacity should be listed on the door sticker - make sure the total weight of people and gear in the tow vehicle and trailer tongue weight is less than the maximum cargo capacity allowed. If the vehicle has a large rear overhang, one also needs to account for the fact that the load point is behind the rear axle, so hitching up the trailer will transfer some of the vehicle weight from the front axle to the rear axle. The residual cargo capacity may need to be cut even more in order to not exceed the rear GAWR. For vehicles with full frame construction, the weight transfer problem can be solved by using a weight distributing hitch.

You need to be able to stop quickly and in a straight line. Vehicle brakes are designed to stop the vehicle when it is loaded to it's GVWR. If the total weight of the combination exceeds that, braking performance may suffer unless the trailer has it's own brakes. Furthermore, pushing on a ball coupling is dynamically unstable - unless things are perfectly aligned so the trailer is pushing through the center of mass of the tow vehicle, there will be a sideways component to the applied force that will jackknife the combination if it can't be counteracted by the tow vehicle's tires. Properly functioning trailer brakes greatly reduce or eliminate the force and make the combination stable and stoppable. Trailer brakes are a good idea whenever the combination weight exceeds the GVWR and are required in many jurisdiction whenever the trailer exceeds half the curb weight of the tow vehicle.

It's also obvious that you need to be able to "move the load back and forth down the street" (and up the launch ramp). As you point out, this is usually not the limiting factor, although pulling a heavy load will put substantial stress on the engine and drivetrain. The key here is keeping things cool and lubricated. Big radiators and transmission coolers (for automatics) are common tow package parts, or they can be aftermarket additions. Full synthetic lubricants provide an additional margin of high temperature tolerance and are more resistant to breakdown under severe conditions. So long as cooling and lubrication do not fail, engines and transmissions can run for many hours at WOT without damage.

So let's apply this to the OP's question. Fully loaded, his boat will be in the 1500-1600 lb range and should have a tongue weight of about 160 lb. If it's too light or too heavy, he needs to move the axle to adjust it. The 2003 CRV has a maximum payload of 1060 lb. Lets take away 160 lb for fuel, fluids and unknown options, leaving 900 lb for other stuff. Accounting for weight transfer, the trailer might be putting 200 lb on the rear axle, leaving about 700 lb for people and gear. Maybe a bit tight, but workable unless he plans to have every seat occupied by someone over 200 lb. The combination will exceed the vehicle's GVWR, and the boat is very close to 1/2 of the CRV's 3250 lb curb weight, so although the combination would probably be borderline OK without them, I would add trailer brakes for anything more than a short, low speed trip to the boat launch. The manual transmission is a bit of a liability at the launch ramp, but it is an advantage everywhere else as it is immune to the heat issues that can kill automatics. For the engine, use high quality oil (preferably synthetic) and follow the "severe service" recommendations in the manual for oil changes and you can run it hard for a long time.
 

jkust

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

As a former overtower (towing way too much with way too little vehicle) I can say your CRV could probably tow 4000lbs. It takes very little HP and TQ to actually tow something and even get it out of the water at the steepest ramp. I wouldn't advise towing 4000lbs, and over time you will damage the drive train, won't be able to stop good, will be well past the safety margins, but as to the question will your vehicle tow your prospective boat, the answer is a resounding yes.
 

scoutabout

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

Wisdom of the practice aside, I can confirm that an AWD 5-speed CRV will launch, retrieve, and tow right at the limit and sometimes beyond for years, if done only occasionally. We're closing in on 400,000km on the orginal clutch with no other signs of stress on the vehicle and she's scrambled up some doozy ramps dragging various boats.

You will need to perfect the art of handbrake/clutch/gas manipulation. Unfortunately the strictly on-demand system will mean an instant of front wheelspin before the rear end engages and crawls out.

It's a fabulous little vehicle. Emphasis on little though, so trailer brakes is a very good idea. But mechanically, at least, it will be fine with your load. I should say this was a private, backwoods road. If you chose to hit the highway, you are certainly at a much higher risk of a problem stopping from those speeds.
 

bnicov

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You could do it but would I recommend you do it, I'd say NO. If you are overloaded even by a small margin and you are involved in a wreck, your insurance company would leave you standing high and dry since you were operating your vehicle in an unsafe fashion. Also, you have to stop the damn thing. A panic stop is not fun with a heavily loaded vehicle. It'll take you twice as long to stop so you have to think about that while driving.
 

Trailerguy34

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

Hello Jon -

I thought I would let you know that gas weighs 6 1/2 lbs per gallon x your 60 gallon tank =390 lbs .

Trailerguy
 

Otis357

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

Thanks for all the feedback here guys - lots of great debate and things to think about. Much appreciated!

Been making some calls on the side myself to Honda, and it looks like Titanium nailed it in his last post.

Honda says: Total weight in tow must be under 1500lbs however, the maximum load for the vehicle is 850lbs (assumes full fuel in the CRV)
So essentially, if the combined weights of the occupants, gear and tongue weight of the trailer is less than 850, and the trailer is less than 1500, then everything is nice and legal.

Any gear I offload from the boat to the vehicle will take away from the 850 limit as well.

As long as I tow solo, or with one other person I should have no trouble. Will still look into retrofit of the trailer, or one with brakes as well.... just sounds like the smart thing to do.

Thanks again!

Jon
 

bigdee

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Re: Towing capacity - opinions needed

Yes you will be OK......you have done the research and found the info to substantiate your claim. You are close to the recommended manufacturer's limit but that does not mean that if you go over it by a few pounds catastrophic things will happen. A little common sense prevails,especially in today's economy and I am sure you love the MPG of the 10 year old (and assumed paid for) CRV. Your awareness and driving responsible should keep you out of trouble.
 
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