Mercury 78A? Anyone know anything about it?

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CaptBradley

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Re: Mercury 78A? Anyone know anything about it?

I have been searching for information on this motor and that was a big help.

I am purchasing a 1960 Larson All American with what appears to be the original 1959 78A on it. The boat has been hidden in a garage up here in Montana for who knows how long, but it appears to be in original condition with all original equipment and hardware. It needs some major cleaning and a bit of floor restoration, but is in pretty good shape.

Any ideas if this motor would have been a 1959 model on a boat that was a 1960 model?

Thanks,
Stephan
 

Starppy

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The only way to tell the year of an old Merc was through the serial number. It is either on a plate between the clamps or on the drive shaft housing. It may also be on the engine block. Get the serial and then check it against the model guide at http://www.oldmercs.com .

These engines were definately concieved, designed and built before product liability was an issue. I love old Mercs, but you just have to wonder how many people were injured or killed by these things.
 

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This is deja vu all over again for me! I had a Mark75A and had to start at the same point you are. Fortunately, I had a bud with a factory service manual, so I had good info for fixing all that was needed to get it running. I had to do kits in both fuel pumps and all three carbs after soaking and really cleaning the carbs. Had to make my own degree wheel to set the timing instead of buying the Mercury special tool. Replaced the plug wires with Packard 440 solid core wire. As I recall, the plug wires had screw-in terminals on the distributor end that were a challenge to get swedged(sp?) properly. It was hard to start when cold and flooded easily. Ran great once it started. Takes some practice getting used to the No Neutral/Direct Reversing controls.

FYI, you have what appears to be an OEM bronze two-blade prop that is in pretty good condition. Those are hard to find since most props that old were abused and discarded long ago. Some collectors might be very interested.

Good luck!
 

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Re: Mercury 78A? Anyone know anything about it?

Starppy - I checked the tag and it is definitely a 78A E from 1959. My question is that I am told the Larson All-American it is on is a 1960 model. I am wondering if anyone knows about the boat and how I can tell. I can't seem to find anything on the boat except for a tag on the dash that says it is a Larson.

This motor is rather nice looking overall. It seems to have the original stickers and everything. I pulled the cover and it is very clean. It starts, but I have not put any time into the motor since I am trying to restore the boat.

Thanks,
Stephan
 

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Cap - Odds are 1960 is accurate. The boats and motors didn't come as set back then. Dealers bout the boats from the boat manufacturer and the motor from the motor manufacturer and then mated the pair based on what the customer wanted. It wasn't unusual to see the boat and engine model years off by a year or two.

You might want to check for a hull ID number. Sometimes the year of build was encoded into the hull ID. If Larson is still in business, you might be able to contact them and they could tell you from the ID. You can also see if there is a Larson collectors group or see if you can find old promotional literature online, at a library or even on ebay (look at it not buy it). Specs changed year to year and so did paint schemes so sometimes you can spot your paint scheme, size or other spec and base it off of that.

I did that for my old MFG Caprice 16. According to the literature I found, http://www.fiberglassics.com/mfg/mfgb73013.jpg they only offered the 16', outboard version in orange in 1973.
 

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I doubt the boat is a 1960. trihulls were't very common until the mid to late 60s. It does look an awful like a Crestliner Muskie 15 from the mid 70s
 

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Hi folks. I've got a Mercury 78A E attached to a 73 caravelle tri hull. I'm looking to sell both. I got the boat and motor from my Dad about 5 yrs ago. I ran the boat at that time 1 summer, it's been sitting ever since. Anyone know the value of this motor and/or a place to post a classified? Attached is a photo.
 

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I picked up an old 15' runabout for $300, hadn't even looked at the motor before I bought it, I just wanted a cheap boat to hold me over until I could get something a bit nicer (about two months)

Anyways, the motor looks like it's in good condition. From what I'm able to find out the motor is from 1958? The title for the boat says 72', though I'm not sure that's accurate. (possible the boat was issued its first title in 72'?).

I'm really wanting to know about the motor though.. I'm going to use the boat and I have very little experience running boat motors. I dunno the fuel/oil mixture, how to start it (I read it has no neutral), etc. .and because it's so damn old I can't find out any of this information.

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The 78 is a direct drive (no shifting) inline six cylinder outboard. It was designed to run forward and backward in liu of having a reverse gear. The "7" indicates that its a seventy horsepower; I'm not sure what the "8" designated. It was a "testbed" of sorts as the "Marathon" outboard was a direct descendant of this model. The first straight six outboard, the Mark 75, broke a whole book of endurance records when Carl Kiekhaefer's team ran the outboard for 50,000 miles in sixty-eight days by refueling on the run. :eek:

The Mark 78 is a direct descendent of this outboard.

Here is a link, from East Coast Marine Service, giving you details on the Mark 78.

http://store.eastcoastmarineservice.com/category_s/104.htm

Considering this pedigree your outboard most likely will still run. Hope this helps.

By the way, the typical ratio of oil to fuel is three ounces of two cycle oil to one gallon of gasoline. On these older outboards I usually go with a bit more oil or closer to four ounces per gallon, or to put this another way I'll add a pint (16oz) of two cycle oil for every five gallons of mid-grade gas. This is about three more ounces total (per five gallons) than minimum standard.

I have also been advised, since leaded gasoline is no longer available, to use mid-grade gas, not regular and not premium. I don't know if this is necessary, but I've had no problems using this grade of gas.

BTW. I have a 78A counter-rotating that I'm restoring.

http://store.eastcoastmarineservice.com/category_s/104.htm
 

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There are two sites that immediately come to mind. ClassicGlasspars and FiberGlassics. The site addresses are;

http://www.classicglasspars.com
http://www.fiberglassics.com

Both sites are run and frequented by die-hard old glass hobbyists. Whatever price you get, you can be assured that anyone from either site will put whatever they buy to good use.
 

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The serial number is on a riveted plate between the clamp screws.
 

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Frankly, i'm a bit worried about starting it up.. I found a thread on another forum that had quite a bit of information (more for boat engine tech-heads) and this engine seems complicated as hell.
I drive old vehicles because they're so much simpler and easier to fix, doesn't seem to be that way for this old engine.

I can't wrap my mind around the way it works.

My throttle lever looks like one from a typical boat, push it forward or pull it back.. but on this forum they're talking about a Z shaped control box that has different switches to start the motor in reverse/forward rotation.

Then to add to all of my confusion, I pulled plugs from the lower section to fill/check oil and it's packed full of thick grease? I only vaugely remember how to do it on my old boat. The top plug was labled 'flush', there was a much smaller one between them with no lable, no idea what that is. I'm scared to even try to dry-crank the motor because of the stupid grease. I couldn't get any oil through either hole, it's really packed in there.

I can't find the water pump inlet either.

It's a shame, this motor looks like it's in really good condition. there is a tiny bit of wear on the lower unit (nothing serious, I've seen 00's with more nicks), the motor has been spraypainted black but otherwise it looks nice, especially inside the cover.
Maybe I'll put up some pictures tomorrow

First, the distributor rotates a full 180 degrees. That means the motor itself can run forward or backward. Odd I know, but that's how it works. The "shifter" should like like the image below.

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The water pump inlet is below the anti-cavitation plate directly above the propeller.

The 78 typically came in "Cloud White" or "Sunset Orange."

A good indication of the state of your outboard would be to "hand crank" the flywheel. Take the top cowl cover off (removing six nuts and removing a clamp to the choke knob) and grasp the flywheel. If you can turn it without too much effort you are also turning the crankshaft and pumping the pistons through their range of motion.

According to my shop manual only two screws are involved when adding gear lube. The instructions say;

"1. Remove the lubricant filler plug, located on the right side of the gear housing just above the skeg, then remove the air vent screw above the anti-cavitation plate, being careful not to lose the associated washers. IMPORTANT: Never apply lubricant to the lower unit without first removing the air vent screw, as the injected lubricant displaces air which must be allowed to escape, otherwise the gear housing cannot be completely filled as required.

2. Insert lubricant tube into filler plug hole and inject lubricant until excess fluid starts to flow out of the air vent screw hole, indicating that the housing is filled."

3. Replace air vent screw first, then filler plug, taking special care that the washer is in place under the head of each screw so that water will not leak past the threads into the gear housing."
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