Tohatsu Nissan TLDI 50 hp prop selection

myhuntfish

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I'm using the stock aluminum prop that came with the motor which it says 11.1x14 I believe.

Good idea about the paint marker I never really thought about that, I'll try this tomorrow if it isn't to windy and hopefully will remember that dam gps. Really seemed like a difference in speed when I was able to trim it up and boy did it feel LOOSE and FAST but never know really till what that GPS reads. I just have a gps for a car but should tell me my mph still. I did notice less spray though from the trim tabs when I was able to trim it up a little.

Previous reply you said you have aluminum plate in the floor to make it level, you know you can add Marine plywood to your floor it is probably lighter and I tell you that stuff will last about 30 years or longer if you paint it. The transom on my 12ft my dad gave to me when I was 16 is made out of that stuff and it's probably about 16 years old or older now and been out in the weather all these years. That really is some dam good stuff and if you search it isn't priced to high. Here it is about 65-85 for a 4x8-1/2 inch sheet.

I'm gonna go out in my garage now and go level that motor off so I don't forget about it.

I must add though I did notice when take off maybe I got on it to much but that dam bow comes up kinda high then back down and takes off like a bullet :) first couple of times scared me but then it was down right FUN. Another thing I noticed at one point it was kinda hoping at WOT and by sliding my fat butt just a couple inches forward I was able to get it to level out. I must say I learned alot about this boat today and way less worrying or frustration compared to that dam skiff.

I started thinking about what you said about the boat needs to be long and it won't porpoise, I kinda thought the same but to be honest there are guys who have souped up 40's on 13-14ft aluminum flat bottom boats that don't porpoise at high speeds. I'm starting to think that maybe having this slight hook isn't a great thing either like I think steelepike said. I mean it's better then having the two rockers and a bad hook like I had with the skiff but I'm thinking on a flat bottom square nose boat when there built it is easier to probably build it and not get the hook that maybe the V's have. Maybe by building it as a V there's of course more welding distortion making the different parts forcing them together creating a hook maybe more. I don't know it's kinda theory I'm kinda having. I guess I'll let you know someday if this is true for when I attempt to build my own aluminum boat. This one will be built for redneck speed.

Chris

you are right about the hopped 40's on the short boats, but there are alot of factors in play there. The boats are stripped. Some even cut out the seat to sit on the floor. Most of these guys have all the weight in the front and alot even have water tanks in front to add more weight and tune the balance. They also run very small diameter/high pitch chopper props that have no clutch/rubber. They have very low water pickups that allow them to jack the motor sky high and let the prop pierce the water surface. All of this with 60 plus horses to "power out" of the porpoising to boot. Thats fine if a person wants a fast aluminum boat, but I just want a good reliable fishing rig that does not porpoise and runs 40 or so. I think we will be fine with these boats. I just took a break from mine. I about ready to get back to it. If I could get mine to perform without the smart tabs and gain a few mph I would be happy. I think a 10.5 x 13 prop would get me where I want to be so I may have an inch of pitch added to mine. I may remove the smart tabs and have some larger tabs welded onto mine. I just need to figure out the design to stop the annoying water spray because the factory tabs seem a little narrow.
 

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Leveled my motor and added the marks like you said and i must say after some what getting the boat level which was kinda a pain i took level readings from a bunch of places but got it close. The motor probably was running close to level after i got it all marked up but I will see for sure tomorrow.

You're right those guys are sitting on the floor and have the boat stripped down, I want speed but I want a good reliable fishing boat like you. I guess i will have to someday play with building my own for speed and have another for fishing.

I've read a lot of stories and the guy 50hptiller actually claimed to make a 14ft weldbilt do just over 62moh but was achieved like you say low water pickup and actually a 12.5x24 cleaver from a sst 60 motor he said. The cleaver is the surface drive prop to really get you moving. I actually read somewhere that as the cleaver turns there will always be 1 blade out of the water now that is really running at the surface.
Anyway yes i agree i'd like mine to run close to 40 and be really happy.

You know you could try this, add maybe some thin aluminum plate to the transom like on each side of the motor and that may help with the spray although don't make it to close to the motor or it won't turn. Today really wasn't that bad with the spray that skiff was worse. People told me when i bought this short shaft that I was gonna have problems with spray but hell a long shaft weighs more and didn't want that either. A little water coming in is nothing I feel I'm so use to have 15 inch transoms it's no big deal.
 

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yea I thought about a sheild of sorts. I will likely look into some pontoons. i think they would definately help the porpoising and add some float in back. With the pontoons the spray would be further back and would not matter. Well, keep me updated and I will do the same when I get mine back in the water.
 

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Raining down here today so no go for testing, tomorrow will be out there for sure if this little cold snap isn't to bad. I still can't imagine these pontoons you're talking about. Do you just strap them on the side of the boat?
 

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Raining down here today so no go for testing, tomorrow will be out there for sure if this little cold snap isn't to bad. I still can't imagine these pontoons you're talking about. Do you just strap them on the side of the boat?

LOL........noo! Im sorry some people call them sponsons. You have probably seen them on tunnel hulls in back on each side of the motor for floatation. They will also help with porpoising. A friend of mine has a 16' tunnel hull with a 60 tiller. He had porpoising problems. He wanted sponsons for floatation. When he added them it cured the porpoising as well. I would not mind the extra floatation in back either.
 

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I had to look that up I had no idea what the heck you were talking about. I have seen this on alweld boats that you can have this added. I think these boats had them on so they would float better in shallow water
 

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Motor all the down on transom with the stock crappy prop and trimmed up I got a max of 39.1 mph on GPS. motor all the way down on transom and motor trimmed all the way down ran 34.3 mph.

I think I can get it to go over 40 especially with a different prop
 

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Motor all the down on transom with the stock crappy prop and trimmed up I got a max of 39.1 mph on GPS. motor all the way down on transom and motor trimmed all the way down ran 34.3 mph.

I think I can get it to go over 40 especially with a different prop

Chris,
How is it going with the boat? what set up did you end up with on prop/ motor height? What speed you getting?
 

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Chris,
How is it going with the boat? what set up did you end up with on prop/ motor height? What speed you getting?

I"ve done a ton of playing with this motor as far as setup goes. as you quoted all the way down on transom it was getting 39.1mph but didn't have a tach at the time so assume it maybe was turning 5100 rpm's. I just bought a tach for it about a week ago and when I had the motor up one hole on the transom i was turning 5200 which isn't good I was told it will run better and last longer if you can get it to turn at 5850 rpm's. I then went to the third hole I was then turning about 5400 and I moved it all the way up on he transom and was getting just a spec over 5400 rpm's. I could go with a jack plate and probably get that motor a inch and a quater higher up and probably get more rpm's out of it or just go down a pitch on the motor. Right now still have the stock propeller which is a 11.1x14 so I may need to go down to a 13 pitch. Been going back and forth what to do, debated on maybe getting a cleaver just not sure yet. I love to fish but I love to haul A** just as much. I really need to buy me another motor to play with, been saving my money for another prop so in another week or two I'll go see the prop guy and talk to him and see what he thinks this setup could run with the right prop. I think with a cleaver low water pickup and jack plate i think the boat is capable of just over 50.
I'm blown away what the proper setup a boat can really fly.

If you don't have a tach get one it has really helped me with realizing this motor ain't turning enough rpm's seems like it screams enough at 5400 but man 5850 this thing will sound like a dang race boat.

Just went fishing yesterday and today and loaded up on some speckle trout and red fish down here in Louisiana so this made me think today what to do on the prop. Theres a boat club here that drag races on the river a few months and want to get into that so I'm like what the hell to do here. Might get me a racing prop and break it out when it's time to race and go race and switch props when I want to fish hahaha.

I need to find me about a 75 johnson, 40 merc or a 90 yamaha for this boat to play with is whats gonna have to happen.
If you want PM me and I'll give ya my email address I rarely come on here I'm always over on boatracingfacts.com which my name there is chris3298

Forgot to add with current setup I think I maybe running around 36mph ruffly, the prop has a lot more slipage since I went up with the motor but still over proped


Chris
 
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