This is where State Socialism will lead you!

[RubberFrog]

Re: This is where State Socialism will lead you!

OMR, we're good. It started feeling personal when I was taking hits about being liberal on several threads. I tried to be self deprecating to defuse it and that seemed (to me) to be feeding it more.

We don't need to stop responding to each other. Lets just kiss and make up

 

[OldMercsRule]

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[colour=blue]Great Rubber, I rarely dissagree with you here and now I know why: your in the investment business' or at least very aware of it, (what's wrong with Rolmops, as he is in the business too)? I know I kicked at ya about votin' fer Mr. Clinton, (I meant it to be a rib as I can tell ya think fairly clearly). 'sides I did not like HW Bush either n' almost voted fer Perot before he went nuts. Bob Dole was the worst Republican candidate against one of the best Pols in history: Mr Clinton. N' ya can't say Mr. Clinton didn't make ya a boat load o' money, either! Glad were back on track here. JR[/colour]

 

[Pony]

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OMR by "liberal" I meant "free" or "loose".

I do rationalize a lot, which is something that you have to do in my opinion when you arent willing to blindly accept something just because your political party tells ya.8)

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: This is where State Socialism will lead you!

OMR by "liberal" I meant "free" or "loose".

I do rationalize a lot, which is something that you have to do in my opinion when you arent willing to blindly accept something just because your political party tells ya.8)

[colour=blue]Hey Pony, liberal or Liberal has a number of meanings both classic and contemporary, (it also depends of what your are talking about). I doubt there are many here on iboats that report to someone as to their adherance to a party line. Just because I watch Fox news more then the other MSM outlets n' listen to Rush n' Michael Medved when I can does not mean I am brain washed any more the WbW is brain washed, (he very likely is not). Here on DC when I use the word I mean the contemporary political version. Most American posters here on iboats are classic Liberals, (to include you and I, Boom n' 12Footer). When ya parse it further to the modern use of the term is where you get some meaningful divisions. I tried to read back in your posts to get what you were talking about but still couldn't and can't make any connection here. I doubt you are very Liberal, you seem more like a right leaning independent, as am I, and I am probably a little right of you. My life's experience and my parents had a great deal to do with my orentation, (as is the case with most here I would guess). As I said: some are very hard to tell, as they come from all angles, and may just be skilled with debate n' semantics. Many "Neocons" are harder right then others as something in their life's experience pushed them 180 degrees right. They tend to be somewhat like a reformed smoker. I use labels more then I should, to win debating points. That said: it is my way of emphasizing my points at the other guy's expense. I do always try to keep it civil. If true Libs state their true unvarnished 'feelings' they are very vulnerable to a logical argument, based on facts n' history. That is why it is soooooo tempting for me to label from time to time. JR [/colour]

 

[Skinnywater]

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You guys seem to want to hold on to these 200 year old values that our country was founded upon, but there is a problem..............its a completely different world.

Not many here would admit to wanting to hold on to these values as much as I do.

My biggest problem is those like you that don't want those values exactly as they were intended 200 years ago has left me and other Americans like me without a country.

Thats a bit harsh. Calling me un American? ( I can read between the lines.) This is just a simple debate, settle down. I just now remembered why I dont even like to discuss politics here. No one wants to read or attempt to understand anyone elses views. If a view isnt the same as yours its wrong............how soon I forget that.

I didn't say you were unAmerican.
Instead I think you misunderstand the essense of what an American is. Maybe you're a mislead American.
Lets examine my quote again, specifically my highlight.

"My biggest problem is those like you that don't want those values exactly as they were intended 200 years ago has left me and other Americans like me without a country."

Since it's your right to believe or say anything you want about our Constitution excuse me if I hold you responsible for that right.

In my opinion people who believe as you do have done a considerable amount of harm to my way of life.
If you believe that the Constitution is a living document (the founders did not), there are plenty of others you can choose from all over the globe.
If I prefer to live life with the one that was given me, the American Constitution original and unchanged, where do I go?
Or do I have to beg you and others that beleive the way you do for sanctuary?

Since when does a fair and good American do that to another American over a Constitution that is relyed upon to one you wish would be?


Without a doubt many well intentioned, or otherwise, people have done enough damage to the Constitution already to deny me it's fundamentals.
As an American I've never been able to experience the 10th ammendment, a neutral foriegn policy, and a purely defensive military to thier potential.
Instead I hear many like yourself not embracing what wasn't given enough of a chance to work unfettered, to actually believe in subverting away from my children more of the Constitution.

I just now remembered why I dont even like to discuss politics here.

Oh come on now Pony, since when?
I'd rather you debate through what you "read between the lines" than crying foul because someone calls you on what you write.

My arguement can be used with all the people who attack any of the Constitution or ammendments.
Even to the extent of those that say, "go ahead tap my phone, strip search my mother, I've got nothing to hide."