The Lame will walk

[LubeDude]

According to Senator John Edwards, If they are elected because they will back stem cell research, the lame will walk again. There is at this time "NO" research that says this is even a posibility. Also incinuating that its George bushs fault that Christopher Reaves died.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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LubeDude, did you catch that show yesterday about this?<br />There was a guy on there that has been doing FDA approved research like this.<br /><br />Something about a small micro processor implanted in the brain of a totally paralyzed man and he could operate a computer just by thinking what he wanted to do.<br /><br />Real early stages, but atleast it is FDA approved.<br />It's a start.<br /><br />edit: It was on Fox. It was "Dayside with Linda Vester" show.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Hmmm... lets kill humans to save other humans. Doesnt make sense to me.<br /><br />All this science is great, but it is now approaching "playing god".<br /><br />I know this is harsh, but do we really need to prevent all deaths and injuries. Think of the population/energy/food problems.<br /><br />Ken

 

[oddjob]

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There is at this time "NO" research that says this is even a posibility. Also incinuating that its George bushs fault that Christopher Reaves died.<br />

I saw Reeves state not too long ago that he remains paralized because of George Bush. Thats when my sympathy ended for the jerk. God rest his miserable sole.

 

[roscoe]

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Plenty of government and privately funded stem cell research being done, but very little of it is FETAL stem cell research.<br />As with all technical/scientific topics, there are many intricate facets and details to be covered. Way too many to even try to be accurate in a 20 second sound bite. Lets just make an inaccurate blanket statement and through it out there to scare the American people.<br /><br />There has been very little hope that FETAL stem cells hold any cures anyway.<br /><br />So aside from the FETAL controversy, why should the government pay for this research anyway?<br /><br />And why haven't Kerry's friends in France already found cures for everything?

 

[POINTER94]

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Just another in a long list of reasons why Kerry just doesn't have what it takes to be president. <br /><br />Potentially asbestos was great, how about Viox, the wankle engine was to replace the piston engine, and some people celebrate the death of the unborn. The arrogance of such a statement is disgusting.

 

[PatPatterson]

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There have been so many potential break throughs over the last 40 years that they are hard to keep track of, but most have proved to be of little or no practical value. It is hard to get a grant for research by saying that you are looking for a cure for hang nails or black heads. Grants are given to find cures for diabetes or cancer, and all grant and research applications are exaggerated. <br />As with all other POTENTIAL breakthroughs, the proponents of such will always exaggerate the possibilities of the research. Whatever they percieve as hampering their agenda will always be the reason said potential is not reached.

 

[kd6nem]

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I'm thinking the biggest reason the leftists wants FETAL stem cell research is that it attempts to validate their approval of abortion. If they had learned responsibility and morality then they would not care about abortion either. (Aside from the big bucks they have contributed to their campaigns by the abortion INDUSTRY)

 

[gsbodine]

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Not to let facts get in the way of the usual political rants, but embryonic stem cell research is still in its infancy. It's way too early to talk about all the cures that haven't been found. They've only physically been able to do it for 6 years or so, and even less than that with federal funding (2001). Most supporters of embryonic stem cell research understand that it is the pluripotency and usefulness of these kinds of cells that are important, not some leftist abortion conspiracy. As roscoe says, it's a lot more complex than politics allows for. One of the things the US has always led the world in is R&D in health and medicine, and I hope that will remain the case in the future.

 

[PatPatterson]

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Originally posted by Bearcat Powered:<br /> ....it attempts to validate their approval of abortion. If they had learned responsibility and morality then they would not care about abortion either.....

Reminds me of a Bumper Sticker I saw this weekend:<br /><br />"Abortion doesn't make you Un-Pregnant. It just makes you the mother of a dead child."<br /><br />Too True.

 

[JB]

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Taking stem cells from a discarded and never-to-be-born embryo is about the same as taking organs from a brain-dead accident victim.<br /><br />"Destroying life"? Hogwash.<br /><br />Creating embryos via fertilization for the purpose of providing stem cells would be a different matter. I would disapprove of that, and I would disapprove of creating embryos through cloning for any purpose.<br /><br />It disturbs me that when politicians talk about "destroying life" they limit their definition to only one of the millions of species of life on our planet. We destroy life routinely if it annoys us, if we want to eat it, or for "sport". Sounds real close to hypocrisy to me.

 

[12Footer]

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JB, you're missing the point, but don't feel alone. The point is, this canidate for VP is using the death of Chris Reeves to bash Bush from another angle. This goes beyond low-ball politics. Mr Reeve was not even cold yet,and Edwards blames his death on Bush!<br />To top it off, real scientists will admit that there is little to zero chance that stem cell research will eventually lead to a cure for spinal cord damage of the type Reeves had. Nor does the government ban stem cell research. It only bans any further funding of same. It does not interfere with the private sector at all.<br />The liberal party is using this issue to attack the conservatives, and that is all there is to it.<br /><br />To thier great shame!

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Taking stem cells from a discarded and never-to-be-born embryo is about the same as taking organs from a brain-dead accident victim.<br /><br />"Destroying life"? Hogwash.

JB, what if they paid girls to get pregnant and then have abortions. They could create embryo farms. The laws now dont prohibit this sort of thing.<br /><br />Plus there is a difference. An embryo is a viable life, it can become a human. A brain dead accident vicitm is no longer a viable life, it is no longer human.<br /><br />Ken

 

[JB]

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Yes, KIZ.<br /><br />I said that creating embryos for the purpose of providing stem cells would be bad. That would also include creating embryos by cloning.<br /><br />I agree that an embryo has the potential to be a viable life, but don't agree that it is one until it has a beating heart and a functioning brain. Long before that it has become a fetus.<br /><br />If an embryo loses the potential, for whatever ethical reason, I see it as the same as the brain dead accident victim.

 

[rolmops]

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In another 10 or 15 years there are gonna be some big time discoveries in stem cell research.These discoveries will be made in Israel and Europe where there is progress already.Is this another field where american researchers will be left out and life saving break throughs will not be in the USA so presidents can be elected?<br />I have a question for all pro lifers.How many lifes do you think this research has the potential of saving???.How would you like to be a burden on your families having Altsheimers in 10 or 20 years,while your kids know that with this research you might have been healthy if only proper research could have been done.Ask Nancy Reagan.

 

[kd6nem]

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JB, I must respectfully ask you to review your embryology. The point where it is considered alive is very arbitrary if not from conception. You, like everyone else are entitled to your opinions, of course, but there is no absolute benchmark for origin of life except for conception.<br /><br />Anyway, probably most abortions are past this arbitrary point. It is abortion, and anything used to further abortion that I strongly object to. Using tissues is in itself no problem. I carry my organ donor card in my wallet.<br /><br />Rolmops, my own mom is well into a non-alzheiemer's dementia. I also have a good friend in the early stages of alzheimer's. I'd give my right arm if it would help them. Just not my unborn child. Yes I KNOW this burden you speak of. Do you? I hope you don't, sincerely. It is not nice at all. Mom saw relatives go through this- and it was always her strongest wish that she not suffer this. It is heartwrenching. But I will never take someone else's life to provide a cure much less a mere medical treatment for anyone's sake. Am I against stem cell research? NO!<br /><br />Hear this everyone!!! FETAL tissue is NOT the only source of stem cells, OK! Placental and umbilical cord are also great sources, as is bone marrow, yet do not claim the life of an unborn child to harvest. We may even find other ways to isolate these. You folks who are upset with the pro-life crowd need to hear the rest of the story that the pro-abortion people and media are not telling you! Family.org\stemcell search <br /><br />The Pro-life crowd is mostly NOT opposed to stem cell research- only FETAL stem cell research. Got it? I can't believe how much half truths the politicians and media are feeding the public these days...

 

[12Footer]

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Well allrighty then.

I concur, BP. From what little I've learned about it, it jives with what I've read.

 

[KaGee]

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I find it odd that the person who made these comments about saving life,<br /><br />Favors an abortion procedure that delivers a baby 3/4 of the way, severs the spinal cord at the base of the brain,<br /><br />Who will also litigate the pants off of a physician who in delivering a baby "causes injury" .<br /><br />Talk about your oxymorons.

 

[rolmops]

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Kagee,I am not sure whether we are on the same page.But if I understand you,it seems to me that you are making sweeping generalisations with little backup.The procedure you describe is one that is almost exclusively used to save a mother's life.The cells that exist in those fetuses are far to specialised to be of any value at all in stem cell research.The stem cells that are valuable for this research are the the first groups of nonspecialized cells.If possible the first 32 or 64 group.the moment the cells start specializing they loose their value for research.You are talking 24 to 48 hour old cell concentrations.

 

[JB]

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Yep, BP. That is where I arbitrarily believe life begins.