The danger's of a liberal mind.

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

Most republicans are centrists . . . Why do you think many of the traditional Republicans are pizzed at them?

 

[jimonica]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

lol Cherrypicker, eerrr I mean QC,

I don't disagree with any of them quotes. But I do disagree with you if your applying them to this Iraq war.

First of all seven percent unemployment was back in the day when we counted all unemployed. During the Reagan admin, in a an attempt to make the economy look better than it actually was, they decided to only count those on unemployment. Those whose unemployment benefits ran out they considered chronic unemployed and didn't count. I'm sure if we counted
every unemployed person, we'd be in double digits.

Most of them quotes you presented were in the context of protecting our Country from another. OBL didn't represent another country. Afghanistan did give him a safe haven and we went in a changed regimes, with every Dem voting in favor. I defy you to give me one example of a Dem not voting to protect our Country when attacked by another country.

QC quoted JFK,
"The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission. - (also sounds warmongerish)"

Firstly, the premise that our freedom is in jeopardy only holds true when frightened people are willing to put our constitutional rights on hold to give them a perceived amount of comfort.
Secondly, John Kerry asked the American people to pay a price for the war and it got shot down. He simply ask that we pay for the war, not our children and grandchildren. Right now the only people paying any price for this war is our servicemen and women and their families. In WWII everyone knew we were at war because they paid a price everyday, with gas rationing and recycling drives. The only price most Americans have paid is $1.99 for the "support the troops" bumper sticker.
BTW, QC this might be a cheap shot, but don't think it didn't go unnoticed that upon graduation your son went straight to the college admission board. If this war is such a noble cause, you should have taken that boy of yours be scruff of the neck and marched him right down to the nearest Army recruitment office.
Sorry to start this post lighthearted and end on such a sour note.

 

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

And your ludicrous assertion is that my kid went straight to College to avoid a non-existent draft? What a retarded leap. I have openly said that I might even support 100% conscription, and I have three sons. This is an all volunteer Armed Forces that is meeting recruitment goals. Start a new thread, knucklehead. There is no need IMHO to connect war stance with the willingness to send off your children to the Armed Services. I have also said more than once those with children in any of the services should NOT comment on war as there is too much emotion involved. Cold? Yes. Apology unaccepted.

BTW, I was applying the quotes to today's political climate, not just the war. Same points, different foe.

 

[jimonica]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

This reminds me of a recent thread. Someone mentioned how those on the right make up an argument or a phantom quote in order to shoot it down.
Who in the he11 said anything about a draft?

QC wrote,
"This is an all volunteer Armed Forces that is meeting recruitment goals."

That's ridiculous QC, tell that to the Reserves that are in their 4th and 5th tours. We couldn't engage in another theater right now because we're too shorthanded. I know the boot-licking pentagon brass say their recruitment levels are just fine, but you should know better QC.

QC wrote,
" I have also said more than once those with children in any of the services should NOT comment on war as there is too much emotion involved. Cold? Yes. Apology unaccepted."

Sure, is that kind of like you and some others on the right once inferred that the five years in the Hanoi Hilton might have left McCain a little mentally unbalance? That Bushes lack of military experience might just be a plus, because he doesn't know first hand the horrors of war, he might not have the hesitation and misgiving about committing our troops?

QC wrote,
"BTW, I was applying the quotes to today's political climate, not just the war. Same points, different foe."

Today's political climate is practically all about the war QC.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

This reminds me of a recent thread. Someone mentioned how those on the right make up an argument or a phantom quote in order to shoot it down.
Who in the he11 said anything about a draft?

QC wrote,
"This is an all volunteer Armed Forces that is meeting recruitment goals."

That's ridiculous QC, tell that to the Reserves that are in their 4th and 5th tours. We couldn't engage in another theater right now because we're too shorthanded. I know the boot-licking pentagon brass say their recruitment levels are just fine, but you should know better QC.

Charlie Rangel, your fellow democrat, talked strongly about reinstating the draft. It was shot down like a democratic poll on CBS.

Sorry to tell you my friend, recruitment goals are not based on how many tours the military is putting it's people through, just numbers. I think it's around 80 grand a year. They're very close to that, if not at that mark. So QC is right, we are meeting our recruitment goals with an all volenteer army.

God help us the day our president makes military decisions based on "the horrors of war." We will never shoot another bullet in anger, and will finally become the socialist empire the left has wanted us to be for decades.

 

[jtexas]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

LOL @ jimonica: "If this war is such a noble cause, you should have taken that boy of yours be scruff of the neck and marched him right down to the nearest Army recruitment office."

Is that what passes for logic these days?

 

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

Although I do not accept any of your rebuttals, I am confused by your original point then. Am I being inconsistent if I: a ) support the war in Iraq and b) send my kid to College without a trip to his Army recruiter and a stint in the Army first?

If that was not your point then I understand why you would not understand my reference to my support of 100% Conscription. If that was your point, I think there is a direct connection, and your inability to understand led to my use of the term "knucklehead". I apologize to the Mods and iboats for a personal attack :}

We are meeting our Armed Services recruitment goals. If you choose to ignore facts then why not ignore the fact that we are even in a war? You'll be happier that way.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2006/11/mil-061109-dod01.htm

 

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

Is that what passes for logic these days?

I suppose so . . .

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

There is no arguing with someone who has curly hair on their back.

 

[jimonica]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

Again putting up false arguments just to shoot them down.

QC wrote,
"If that was not your point then I understand why you would not understand my reference to my support of 100% Conscription."

Not commenting and not understanding are two different things QC. If you'd like my opinion of 100% conscription, I'm for it. I'm not for a draft.

QC asked,
"Am I being inconsistent if I: a ) support the war in Iraq and b) send my kid to College without a trip to his Army recruiter and a stint in the Army first?"

As you said QC, we're fighting "evil". If this "evil" is such a grave threat to our "freedoms" why didn't your kid sign up? Or, was Rangel correct, those with means send their kids to college those without join the Army to help pay for tuition? Now having asked the question, I understand your kid is of age and can make up his own mind. Just wondering if you and your kid are on the same page.

 

[jimonica]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

On the recruitment issue, I've heard over and over from former military that we're stretched so thin that we couldn't go into to Iran even if they did have nukes.

We've seen countless former military keep their mouths shut until after they retire. There is a military code not to say anything that be considered detrimental to the mission. So when the Army says they're meeting their recruitment levels, I'm just a little skeptical.

 

[jtexas]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

Well, he's got ya there, QC!

Having children join the Army is proof that you support the cause of the war; having children in college is proof that you don't.

Can't argue with that.

 

[jimonica]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

No jtex,
Having your kid in college and supporting the war just means you support other people kids fighting the war. Still support the war, just other other peoples kids fighting it.
Nice try thought Jtex, keep on twisting other peoples words.

 

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

On the recruitment issue, I've heard over and over from former military that we're stretched so thin that we couldn't go into to Iran even if they did have nukes.

This does not mean that we are not meeting our recruitment goals. They can only pay so many soldiers . . . It's called a budget

 

[jtexas]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

twisted...only just the slightest bit...

these words: "If this "evil" is such a grave threat to our "freedoms" why didn't your kid sign up? "

pretty much means: "if your kid didn't sign up, then you must not really believe it's so evil".

 

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

No jtex,
Having your kid in college and supporting the war just means you support other people kids fighting the war.

Have you ever heard the joke about deductive reasoning and owning a weed eater? If you haven't you really should look it up . . .

All I can say, is that anybody following this thread has been given a textbook case in the debating style of a liberal. Whew . . .

 

[jtexas]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

you don't really believe it's limited to liberals, now do ya?

by the way, for the record, I own two weedeaters.

Big ones!

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

curly back hair

 

[QC]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

you don't really believe it's limited to liberals, now do ya?

Well no, but I do believe there is a stronger tendency. Although I don't claim to be a ditto head, I will say that when listening to conservative talk, the liberal callers seem to be a little more, uh . . . challenged, while OTOH, when I listened for a self imposed, long stint to Air America the conservative callers at least attempted to follow a logical course of action, while it was the host who seemed to not own a weed eater . . .

 

[jtexas]

Re: The danger's of a liberal mind.

ahhhh....extrapolating from the sample of "liberals who call in to conservative talk shows" and "liberal talk show hosts" to liberals in general. Don't forget, colleges are chock full of liberal draft-dodgers...I forget, what exactly is a liberal? Some place in Kansas, right?