The danger's of a liberal mind.

Tail_Gunner

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That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad
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INTRODUCTION: President Roosevelt had only one persisting thought; to retaliate against Japan and somehow bring as much destruction as possible and win the war. But how? If you look at a map you will see the military complexity of hitting Japan, almost completely protected by thousands of miles of water, and the land mass of China and Manchuria. Japan was out of reach. The B-17 certainly was not up to the task. Our military planners all agreed we could only reach Japan with a Superbomber capable of extreme range and carrying a massive bomb load. Normally such a venture would take many years to perfect. Could we wait that long? This story is about the heartaches, mistakes, losses of aircraft and crews, and problems encountered while traveling down our "road to victory".

http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/firebombing/firebombing_intro.html
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Should the Bush admin administered that approach.... I'am seriously waiting for your critique. It could have been as simple as a low yeild nuke or two,no plane's @ at all just a couple of cruise missile's and poof it's over?

Actually that was a clinton tatic just no devastation.........

US President Bill Clinton orders the launch of 23 Tomahawk cruise missiles at intelligence facilities in Baghdad, Iraq, in response to an alleged Iraqi plot to assassinate former US President George Bush during his visit to Kuwait in April 1993.[48]

http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/chrono.htm


Hmm intresting chronology there.
 

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I think what's Lost in all this is;...........

FDR was a Democrat,...
But a Very Different Democrat than Todays Democrats..........
 

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bond-o said:
FDR was a Democrat,...
But a Very Different Democrat than Todays Democrats..........
How so?
 

Bondo

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Well,....... Lets See,.....

He Deceived the public about the potential of War,.....

He Didn't try to Talk the Enemy out of Attacking,......

And,.......
After the Enemy Did Attack,...... He jumped in with both feet,+ Kicked Ass.........

That's awhole lot More like the present day Republicans,
Than the present day Democrats......
 

Tail_Gunner

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bond-o said:
Well,....... Lets See,.....

He Deceived the public about the potential of War,.....

He Didn't try to Talk the Enemy out of Attacking,......

And,.......
After the Enemy Did Attack,...... He jumped in with both feet,+ Kicked Ass.........

That's awhole lot More like the present day Republicans,
Than the present day Democrats......

Or could you be saying there is a very distinct difference between what the democrat party was, and the liberal influnce that now seem's to have permeated the party.
 

QC

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All Democrat Presidents prior to Carter were a lot more like today's Republicans. The new Democrats are a new breed. No wonder people like me who were raised by Democrats are now staunchly conservative in the minds of most. I still believe what I was taught as a five year old . . . ;)
 

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Tail_Gunner said:
bond-o said:
Well,....... Lets See,.....

He Deceived the public about the potential of War,.....

He Didn't try to Talk the Enemy out of Attacking,......

And,.......
After the Enemy Did Attack,...... He jumped in with both feet,+ Kicked Ass.........

That's awhole lot More like the present day Republicans,
Than the present day Democrats......

Or could you be saying there is a very distinct difference between what the democrat party was, and the liberal influnce that now seem's to have permeated the party.

Ayuh,............

Your words are Prettier than Mine,.......
But,....
No Doubt We are saying the Same Thing..........

QC,.....
I too was raised by a Democrat leaning family,.......
Of the 30s/40s/50s/and My up-bringing 60s...............
And,.......
Just short of Mom's passing,.. She Did tell Me that I'm Just Like My Dad,......
Maybe just alittle Too Conservative for Her liking, But She Loved Us Anyways.........
 

jtexas

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bond-o said:
I think what's Lost in all this is;...........

FDR was a Democrat,...
But a Very Different Democrat than Todays Democrats..........

Any examples of what you mean by "today's democrats?"

Not a rhetorical question. First impulse was to agree, then I realized I'm not basing it on any events that I can think of - maybe something I've forgotten?
 

waterinthefuel

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Uh, how about the Cuban missile crisis? He stood firm, something a democrat today would cringe at the idea of.
 

jtexas

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"...something a democrat today would cringe at the idea of."

this is what I'm looking for examples of...the cringing democrats. Where are they?
 

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Keep looking for examples of today’s Democrats Jtexas, im trying to find the modern day equivalent to this Republican President , sadly none to be found.

Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040


Some excerpts.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well; to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward.

So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.



 

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Jtexas, show me one democrat who has stood up and said that we should stay the course in Iraq, that liberating them was the right thing to do, that even though when the going gets tough the tough get going, etc etc.

Find one, besides Lieberman. He's an ok democrat, sorda.
 

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Barry Goldwater was a social liberal and was a staunch supporter of the establishment clause.
Richard Nixon brought us the EPA and was on his way to bringing us some form of national health care until he got embroiled in Watergate. The whole country has been shifting to the right since the Reagan revolution. Up until this last election we were about as far right as anytime in history. Hopefully Nov. 7th put an end to all this nonsense.

BTW Barry Goldwater was teaming up with John Dean to write a book or paper on how these to old Republicans don't even recognize their party anymore. Not sure if it got published before his death or not.

All this BS about the dems shifting to the left is nothing but a political strategy to paint your opponents as radical and out of touch. I do have to admit it worked just fine for the repubs, but I think the American people have finally come out of the ether
 

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That darn conservative FDR brought us SS didn't he?
 

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waterinthefuel said:
Jtexas, show me one democrat who has stood up and said that we should stay the course in Iraq, that liberating them was the right thing to do, that even though when the going gets tough the tough get going, etc etc.

Find one, besides Lieberman. He's an ok democrat, sorda.

No examples, then?
 

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jimonica,

American politics has not shifted right, the whole landscape has shifted left. You and I have debated this sorta previously, as you continue to claim that this Administration is bordering on fascism. Here are some JFK quotes, if you teleported him to today he would be a conservative, and in fact his ideas would be the same as many of today's Republicans . . .

"We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed."

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country." - (yes, very well known, but a decidedly conservative principle)

Followed by, but rarely noted, "My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." - (very much our way or the highway)

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - (here he sounds like what harmonica, CJY and PW2 would call a warmonger)

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life." - (sounds like some NRA wacko, no?)

The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission. - (also sounds warmongerish)

When you have seven percent unemployed, you have ninety-three percent working. - Kennedy (sounds like Bush defending our current Economic strength. Not a conservative quote per se, but I thought it was ironic considering the latest attempts to blast the state of the economy by Democrats)

Yes, these are cherry picked to prove my point. No need to mention that . . . 8)
 

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Yep, Kennedy was a war monger......
He'd probably be considered a "Centrist" by today's standards......JK
 
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