the 1967 Holiday 18 and Multiple Boat Syndrome

[barato2]

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So anyway, exterior paint is done, subject to possible QC re-do on strbd side bow..

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oh, and for those skeptics....the pile of empty cans

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You all KNOW how motivational it is having fresh paint....I was all ready to rock n roll on it last night, but working from 7am-930pm yesterday kind of took the wind out of my sails. i have the suspicion that the prosecutor felt the same way this morning, when he arrived at work to find the pile of motions i filed. :evil:

 

[Weep'n Willy]

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Tank cradle looks wonderful. Plenty storage under your seat......yea.....you have been churning and burning. And all those paint cans. Wow.

 

[jasoutside]

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I think I saw a bunch of progress in there but was really thrown off by the giant chicken in flip flops. I was both scared and jealous all at once!

:yuck:

80 degrees

Nice job Bruce:thumb:

 

[classiccat]

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Even up-close the paint looks fantastic! How do we know you didnt use those spraybombs in the dining room? :noidea:

Do you plan on using the drain (One of my favorite features of my swingback.)?

 

[barato2]

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Jas....thanks. more Scary Pix may follow...to help you steel yourself for what you'll find when you pull the tarps off your 26er, in about June or so.

BF--actually i just used em all to get loaded, and then photoshopped the hull pix. yeah, altho drain didn't come installed, just rolling around loose inside....i'll even have to drill the tub myself not sure how one would drain or clean it once it was secured in place otherwise.

got the riser door cut out last night and realized i'll need to do a LOT of beefing of the plywood above the door. spent about 3 hrs working on that and figuring out a plan, then another trip to Ace tonight for more pricey aluminum.

 

[barato2]

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OK, off on another tangent. while working on the paint, i started thinking about all the work and $ to rehab this trailer, and whether i might be better off to buy a different one.

it basically needs everything shy of the springs and hubs/spindles. i'd estimate easily 4-500 in parts (paint, tires, winch, brgs, all bolts n hardware, already have new lighting kit and jack, most all rollers, bunks already replaced) plus a LOT of work. springs look like they're for a much heavier boat (LOTS of leaves), and it's not a tandem (which would be safer as it would let me limp along until i can safely find a place to pull off Mexico 1). OTOH, it tilts and is narrow (also good for Mexican highways....MX1 is 19' wide in places, real fun to meet double semis head on).

seeking input from anyone who has any. should i keep it or start over? there is this one locally for 450 asking, and it comes with spare dorm fridge and donor glasser: 18 ft boat trailer

 

[jasoutside]

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Trailers can eat up a rebuild budget in a flash. I'd think you'd be way ahead by picking up that Bayliner, parting it out, using the nice new trailer and selling the one that you have. Yah man, I'd go for it:thumb:

 

[classiccat]

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... yeah, altho drain didn't come installed, just rolling around loose inside....i'll even have to drill the tub myself not sure how one would drain or clean it once it was secured in place otherwise.
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yepper...maybe that donor glasser that you're about to tow home will have a metal through-hull fitting :lol:

for piece-of-mind, you can always plug the fitting with a drain-plug.

 

[barato2]

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it IS kind of funny that they just supply a through-hull fitting like you'd use for a bilge pump...i was just going to use a rubber stopper but yeah, drain plug would work better if it fits.

problem with the Bayliner+trailer plan is that i'd have to gut the boat and get it to the dump before EOTSKU saw it. found another one in T or C that has optional boat with, for $200. unfortunately no pix available.....seller sounds older and not too techoid. seller will keep boat if i want, but if there's decent hdwe on it, might haul it home to gut. i'll be there this weekend so i set up to look at it on Sunday. i have a spare set of hubs, brg buddies and grease gun so will take thos with in case it looks good. if not, i'll go look at that local bayliner combo....i KNOW you guys are salivating for more glasser-vivisection pix!

 

[GA_Boater]

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So a stealth glasser donor grab and dump is in the offing? Does EOTSKU happen to read these forums?

No titles for the boat and motor and trailer should lead to reduced cash payout.

 

[barato2]

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fortunately, no to 2d Q. yeah, only way i'd offer that guy the full 450 is if dorm fridge is in perfect shape and very usable. can't tell size but the holiner tells me it would like a 140hp. hopefully the trailer in TORC will pan out as 200 is more in my league than the exorbitant-to-a-bottom-feeder 450.

 

[ezmobee]

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Looking good. This is giving me some hope at the possibility of being able to repaint mine at some point. I plan to get a new trailer in the future and perhaps before I do I can just rock and roll my hull on the trailer as you have done and not worry about getting paint and what not all over my old trailer.

 

[barato2]

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wow, The Man hisself emerges from hibernation. thanks, EZ. or a blue tarp would cover the trailer. i didn't worry about it since i still need to either resto or replace the trailer.

lots of work this week on trying to finish the seat riser. progress is maddenlingly slow because i keep having to pull it back apart to add more bracing and/or notching. and then, last night, iwas FINALLY going to get going on the dining room texture. Smart Guy here pulls the texture gun apart to clean it....since the hopper was left full, i figured gun was too. find that no, it looks fine inside so i needn't have pulled it apart, and no, i can't get it back together due to not being able to get 2 o-rings to line up with their grooves. :facepalm: finally got it but i'd wasted an entire evening by then.

here are a few pix of the riser work
working on the bracing for the off-center divider

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a couple of the notching i'm doing to try to tie the bracing and ply together:

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the second pix shows the deep notch where the oak 1x2 will go....the shallow wide notch is for the top flange of the alum 1.5" L-channel. eventually, all this will be JBWelded together and to the plywood as well as being through-bolted.

one of the exterior roughed out, door and hardware in place, and seat in place on top (still need to cut the top plate, which is for now serving as my level base to work on)

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[barato2]

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and success, sorta: even the chicken legs of the Hut of Baba Yaga don't reach the floor by about 1/2"....this will get worse once i add the 3/4" top plate!

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on to the trailer. my pal John has me waffling on the trailer-replacement idea. give me an opinion on these springs as far as supporting a 1000# hull....seven leaves. maybe for a glasser of this size?

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seems a bit over sprung to me. ??? this will matter when on washboard (50+ miles of it to some places i want to fish) as i don't want to have an effectively-suspensionless trailer. since my biggest issue is tandem wheels, am i out of my mind to consider welding on new spring tabs and adding an axle and tandem hardware?? this would also let me re-spring to a rate more in keeping with boat weight.

 

[InMotion]

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B2 --- Just getting caught up here!!! Wow!! You've got a lot done here! Looking good though! I like the paint job... rattle can or not, it came out looking great! Trailer springs: Maybe just buy some springs and re-spring???

Riser box looks MUCH stronger now.... probably better suited in height for a tall Canuck like myself... but it'll likely work just fine for "Mr Chicken Legs"!!

Keep it rolling man.... splash time soon!!!

Jim

 

[GA_Boater]

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and success, sorta: even the chicken legs of the Hut of Baba Yaga don't reach the floor by about 1/2"....this will get worse once i add the 3/4" top plate!

http://forums.iboats.com/starcraft-boats/on to the trailer. my pal John has me waffling on the trailer-replacement idea. give me an opinion on these springs as far as supporting a 1000# hull....seven leaves. maybe for a glasser of this size?

seems a bit over sprung to me. ??? this will matter when on washboard (50+ miles of it to some places i want to fish) as i don't want to have an effectively-suspensionless trailer. since my biggest issue is tandem wheels, am i out of my mind to consider welding on new spring tabs and adding an axle and tandem hardware?? this would also let me re-spring to a rate more in keeping with boat weight.[/QUOTE]

Can you shim your soles? :joyous: But I thought soles were under soles? How about an angled footrest between the console and cooler tower - Something you won't be tripping over like an 1 1/12" or so spacer platform.

On the trailer - I think you will be over a 1000 pounds. No idea how much, but you will have gear, fuel, batteries and the dorm fridge hanging on the back. And a kicker and beverages and ice, too? Maybe take a test tow when shes in fighting trim to see how she rides? Of course then you have to **** around with trailer work if the ride is too rough. Probably no win for this one.

 

[barato2]

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"I sold my soles on ebay" i was actually planning on making EOTSKU do the driving, in heels. yeah, right.....i'd find the wrong end of my rock-maple fish club right quick if i suggested that.

. i actually was planning on adding a folding step, for use as a "poor man's flying bridge" to spot fish...with a short hunk of rope to work the steering while hanging onto the grab rail. the non-bottom feeder guys in San Carlos are now using friggin DRONES, flybridges are passe apparently.

with all the "fixin's", total package will weigh more like 2500-3000. i just mentioned hull weight alone since much of the rest of that is fairly constant.

the $200 trailer didn't look too inspiring; i'd be better off staying with current one. leaing towards Jim's idea of installing new springs....if i go with 15" tires in 225/75-15 and Load Range D, i can get up to 2400+ lbs capacity per tire, which should mean that tires are lightly enough loaded relative to capacity that i can maybe get away without tandem wheels....those have got to add to rolling resistance significantly. and i can re-spring for <$100. whatever trailer i get will need side guides welded on...those bolt-on ones won't stand up to washboard. not a big job, and i have the steel. really, lots of things on my current trailer that are now bolt-ons could be welded to remove a lot of possible "issues"....i just need to buy some straw bales and get the boat off it, whether i keep or replace the trailer. i'll try not to do a "Sig" when i remove the boat (sorry, dude, it will take a while to live that one down....ask CheapBoat Kev....)

 

[dozerII]

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Changing to a tandem is not a real big job, but does double the cost of pretty much everything. Your idea on the D rated tires and softer springs would allow you to run less tire pressure as well, which helps greatly on wash board. (We have lots of that here a well) The seat storage /extension is looking good, you need to buy yourself a cheep H/F biscuit cutter to save all that time making aluminum angle brackets to join the corners. 4" Plate Joiner

 

[barato2]

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thanks Glen. so maybe my crackpot ideas aren't entirely crackpot after all, if a sensible Canadian (pardon redundancy)(or do you lose that presumption of being sensible by virtue of being on this forum??) doesn't think i'm totally out there. i occasionally get accused of not even knowing where the proverbial "box" is...:crazy:

it would be nice to use less angle, not least due to $$$. that stuff adds up....$35 here, 85 there.....precious metal indeed. Problem is i'm not sure it would be strong enough with just the plywood joining, even with biscuits. i'm viewing the seat/fishbox (maybe 120+ lbs when full of ice and beer and hopefully fish) as sort of the weight at the end of a pendulum arm, which arm consists of the riser box, when the boat gets rockin and rollin. wait til you see the pics of where it's gone now with the bracing.

 

[dozerII]

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Using polyurethane glue (Gorilla) and biscuits, I'm willing to bet would be as strong or stronger than the angle. The ply would de-laminate before the joint would come apart.