Structural Fiberglass Question?

VCINRI

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I am starting a project of adding a transom to a 31' formula hull.

The framework for the transom will be 3 layers of laminated 3/4" marine plywood
cut through the transom attaching to the stringers with a 3/4" plywood skin.
I am not totally familiar with all the latest products available today.

What would be the recommendations for resins and fabric for such a use?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks
 

GT1000000

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Re: Structural Fiberglass Question?

Hello and welcome to the Iboats.com dry dock, VCINRI...
Is the boat a shaft drive or an Inboard/Outboard?
I ask because if it is an I/O, you might end up with the transom being too thick...most I/O transoms need to be between 2" and 2-1/4" thick, including the inner and outer layers of fiberglass cloth/resin...
There are several non-wood products that you could use in place of Plywood...
I believe Sea Cast is one of them and another is Coosa boards...
I am aware of another type of Marine Grade Pressure treated, Kiln Dried plywood, also...
Some of the members here will soon chime in with suggestions...
As far as resins to use...the choices are either going to be Epoxy or Polyester resins, both have pros and cons...
The cloths to use will depend on which resin you end up choosing.
Also, if possible, we'd love to see some pics of your project.
Best of luck and have fun!
GT1M:)
 

VCINRI

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Re: Structural Fiberglass Question?

Hello GT,
I am planning to mount twin outboards on the added transom. I was thinking about layering all with Bi axle 1708 for the project. I was also going to use West System epoxy. I heard that 1708 will behave better with a polyester resin. Not sure what to use at this point in spite of hours of research. I am basically building a large outboard bracket with a platform and stringers that will be slotted thru the existing transom to the hulls stringers. I will be using thru bolts for added strength. I am sure some infield engineering will fall in to play. Should be interesting.

Thanks for the reply.
VC
 
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jbcurt00

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Re: Structural Fiberglass Question?

This INBOARD to OB bracket conversion:
Inboard to outboard conversion?


Right, NOT an I/O to OB. Strictly an inboard, driven thru the V-drive:
8vdrv-drw.jpg


I think Bob nailed it back in May '12:
Do you have the motors on hand? Twin 300's used are going to run close to $40K (with rigging and props)...... the change in center of gravity will drastically change the way the boat handles AND I would not begin to guess where the motors are to be mounted. The weight change will also change the way the boat sits in the water. It will probably take a Marine Architect/Engineer to design the right position.

That boat basically has no transom right now that will support weight or drives since it is an inboard.

You would be cheaper to rebuild or replace the current V-8's instead of creating a "frankenboat"

Unless you have ton's of disposable income I would not convert that boat from inboard to outboard.

That would also require a different trailer.

Based on the questions, it doesn't seem like much has changed on your end. But the boat, the work, engineering, tools & facilities necessary and the costs are all pretty much the same....

W/out pix, it'd be difficult to even help flesh out a plan, as I've never heard of someone doing this conversion, let alone KNOWN someone who's done it that might be of some help.

This sort of a pod bracket may interfere w/ the intended water flow off the back of the existing Formula's hull. I have no idea what the rear portion of the hull looks like, but I suspect that Formula designed it a certain way for specific reasons.

Does the existing hull have steps in it?

Is there a pad on the hull along the keel or at the transom?
veepad_sim.jpg

Or is it strictly a deep-V?

Or a combination of those 3?

It is NOT as simple as taking some plywood, making some guesses as to the required structure to carry the load, the weight of twin 300's is substantial, and the stress, running WOT w/ twin 300's will impart incredible stress to the bracket & the mounting thru/to the transom, making further guesses as to the required reinforcements for the bracket to sustain this stress and how to adequately attach it to the existing boat. Extensive reworking of the boat's rear & below deck structure may be required.

Twin 300 meat grinders ripping a poorly done bracket modification off the back of your boat will really ruin your & anyone aboard or in the vicinity's day.

Have you figured out how much weight you are removing from amidships (twin inboards right?) and how much weight you're planning to hang off the back?

How much set back are you planning to incorporate into the bracket/pod?

How much weight will an aluminum or fiberglass plywood pod add to the stern of the boat?

How do all these changes affect the center of gravity/balance/bouyancy of the boat? How do you intend to compensate for those changes?
 

VCINRI

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Re: Structural Fiberglass Question?

I have taken all your questions in to consideration. It will result in less weight with the outboards, just a little further back as the v-8's were inches from the transom. The stern will sit a little lower even with the added buoyancy of the bracket but should not present a problem. I realize the torque and pressure this will be under. I feel more comfortable with this design than bolt on bracket The transom is curved and the engine spacing will be further apart than usual. I considered a aluminum bracket but feel this is a better design for this application.

Thanks for the advice.
VC
 

greenbush future

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Re: Structural Fiberglass Question?

Pictures of your project would be helpful to even begin to fathom this project. Also curious as to why you would do this, instead of repower the way the boat was designed and built? Lets see what you have please?
 

jbcurt00

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Re: Structural Fiberglass Question?

If you are unsure of what glass & resin to use, it suggests that this is not a well engineered design so it's not clear how you're more confident in this type of pod/bracket rather then an engineered bracket, bolt on or otherwise.

I'd be interested to see what is required by the bracket maker for a sufficient transom to support it.

Best of luck w/ your project.

Still no pix after 2 & 1/2 yrs.
 
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