Simple winterization process / draining 4.3gl

rossbar86

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I am attempting to winterize my VP 4.3GL (1999 or 2000) for the first time by myself. From what I understand, the basics are:

- Lower Unit gear oil change (doesn't apply as I have to repair my lower unit this winter)
- Engine oil change
- Fogging oil
- Opionally run non-toxic anti-freeze through system

Can somebody please help me understand where and how to drain the water out of the system? How many plugs are there? Do I need to drain the water out if I am going to run anti-freeze through the system?

Thanks!
 

Lou C

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Yes you need to drain out the water first. Or else the stat won’t open & all the AF will go out the exhaust manifolds.this will fill the manifolds but leave the block full of raw water and it will crack when the temp
drops. Plus running in the AF uses more AF than manually filling and also an engine with an engine mounted impeller like the Volvo may not be able to pull in the AF with just a gravity feed. This may burn up the impeller & overheat the engine! So I don’t advise doing it that way.
Start with changing the motor oil & filter & the gear oil in the outdrive. Then run the engine again check for leaks & fog it thru the carb.
The way I’m describing below involves manual draining and manually adding -100 Marine AF, IMHO it’s the safest best way. Adding the AF is optional that’s up to the owner. The basic principle is you must get ALL the raw water out of the engine, manifolds, impeller housing and hoses/coolers.

First lower the outdrive that helps it drain There are drains on each exhaust manifold (aft end or bottom ) and on both sides of the engine block; one is in front of the starter & the other is in front of the oil filter mount. Poke the holes with a pick or similar to make sure they drain.
Next you must disconnect the bottom end of the big hose up front that connects the front circulation pump & the thermostat housing. Next you disconnect the raw water intake hose that comes from the transom and goes to the impeller housing. Hold this down to drain it; I’d also then hold it up and fill it with -100 marine AF till it runs out the water intakes. This pushes any raw water out of that hose & the P/S cooler on the back of the engine.
Next you put the drain plugs back in. Reconnect the raw water intake hose. Reconnect the bottom end of the big hose & disconnect the top end at the stat housing. Now fill that hose with -100 marine AF till is spurts out of the neck of the thermostat housing. Re connect that hose. Next disconnect the feed hoses for the exhaust manifolds at the stat housing. Now fill each manifold with the same AF till it runs out the exhaust housing under the transom mount, then you’re done.. This is the safest way to use AF.
You drain to prevent freeze damage and add AF (optional) to reduce corrosion. After doing this I spray the engine with corrosion X in particular the oil pan, these can rust if it’s a steel pan like you will find on the older 4.3s same with the timing chain cover. Newer 4.3s use an aluminum pan and plastic or alu timing chain cover. If yours is a 99 or a 2000 it’s the newer style, my old 1988 had the steel covers so I spray them with corrosion X. It does work to reduce corrosion.
About antifreeze realize that you want to use marine AF with corrosion inhibitors and that if it gets below about 15-10*F the -50 & -60 will get hard, I would use -100,it’s good to way below zero.I tested -50 & -60 in my freezer at zero and both got hard and IMHO they don’t belong in a cast iron engine if your temps get below 15-10*F.
 
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rossbar86

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Yes you need to drain out the water first. Or else the stat won’t open & all the AF will go out the exhaust manifolds.this will fill the manifolds but leave the block full of raw water and it will crack when the temp
drops. Plus running in the AF uses more AF than manually filling and also an engine with an engine mounted impeller like the Volvo may not be able to pull in the AF with just a gravity feed. This may burn up the impeller & overheat the engine! So I don’t advise doing it that way.
Start with changing the motor oil & filter & the gear oil in the outdrive. Then run the engine again check for leaks & fog it thru the carb.
The way I’m describing below involves manual draining and manually adding -100 Marine AF, IMHO it’s the safest best way. Adding the AF is optional that’s up to the owner. The basic principle is you must get ALL the raw water out of the engine, manifolds, impeller housing and hoses/coolers.

First lower the outdrive that helps it drain There are drains on each exhaust manifold (aft end or bottom ) and on both sides of the engine block; one is in front of the starter & the other is in front of the oil filter mount. Poke the holes with a pick or similar to make sure they drain.
Next you must disconnect the bottom end of the big hose up front that connects the front circulation pump & the thermostat housing. Next you disconnect the raw water intake hose that comes from the transom and goes to the impeller housing. Hold this down to drain it; I’d also then hold it up and fill it with -100 marine AF till it runs out the water intakes. This pushes any raw water out of that hose & the P/S cooler on the back of the engine.
Next you put the drain plugs back in. Reconnect the raw water intake hose. Reconnect the bottom end of the big hose & disconnect the top end at the stat housing. Now fill that hose with -100 marine AF till is spurts out of the neck of the thermostat housing. Re connect that hose. Next disconnect the feed hoses for the exhaust manifolds at the stat housing. Now fill each manifold with the same AF till it runs out the exhaust housing under the transom mount, then you’re done.. This is the safest way to use AF.
You drain to prevent freeze damage and add AF (optional) to reduce corrosion. After doing this I spray the engine with corrosion X in particular the oil pan, these can rust if it’s a steel pan like you will find on the older 4.3s same with the timing chain cover. Newer 4.3s use an aluminum pan and plastic or alu timing chain cover. If yours is a 99 or a 2000 it’s the newer style, my old 1988 had the steel covers so I spray them with corrosion X. It does work to reduce corrosion.
About antifreeze realize that you want to use marine AF with corrosion inhibitors and that if it gets below about 15-10*F the -50 & -60 will get hard, I would use -100,it’s good to way below zero.I tested -50 & -60 in my freezer at zero and both got hard and IMHO they don’t belong in a cast iron engine if your temps get below 15-10*F.
Thank you very much for your thorough response. It sounds like you are recommending manually draining the water and then manually pouring in the AF. Can you please clarify why that is though?

You mentioned the following, "Plus running in the AF uses more AF than manually filling and also an engine with an engine mounted impeller like the Volvo may not be able to pull in the AF with just a gravity feed. This may burn up the impeller & overheat the engine! So I don’t advise doing it that way."

These may be stupid questions, but just trying to understand the logic. Does "gravity feed" refer to something that is happening when the engine is running or when you just pour in and use gravity? I'm trying to wrap my head around why the impeller may burn up and overheat the engine in the scenario where AF is run through the system with the engine running instead of being poured in manually once the system is drained
 

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It has to do with the design of the cooling system & location of the raw water pump (impeller).
Gravity feed, what I mean by that is that you put the winterizing tank full of AF on the swim platform at the rear of the boat. The AF then flows via gravity thru the muffs to the lower unit. First realize that a rubber impeller cannot suck water up if the cooling hoses have mostly drained of water; they move water when the cooling hoses are full of water.
When the boat is in the water hydrostatic pressure pushes water up thru the water intakes, up about 18” and then thru the transom mount and about 3’ forward to the impeller housing on the engine. Then the impeller moves water into the stat housing.
With the boat on land it doesn’t work that way. The water drains partially out of the hoses that go from the transom mount to the impeller housing and also out of the outdrive water passages. This is why you need pressure from a water hose and tight fitting muffs to run the engine on land without burning up the impeller & overheating the engine. Gravity feed alone won’t to this. Now on Merc Alphas the impeller is in the lower unit so it can work. The water only has to rise to the top of the lower gear housing. In any engine with an engine mounted impeller it has to travel
much further as I described above. 18” up & 3’ forward in any engine with the engine mounted impeller.
The only way it could safely consistently work with the engine mounted impeller is if you connect a pump to the tank to pressurize the flow (like a bilge pump or a live well pump).
That said, I find it easier, simpler and less stressful to manually drain and manually back fill the AF via the hoses as I described. Remember if you use the winterizing tank you are draining the engine first anyway.
In fact that is how OEMs like Merc,Volvo & OMC
advised in their manuals. Not one of the them ever advised doing it that shortcut way!
 

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I am attempting to winterize my VP 4.3GL (1999 or 2000) for the first time by myself. From what I understand, the basics are:

- Lower Unit gear oil change (doesn't apply as I have to repair my lower unit this winter)
- Engine oil change
- Fogging oil
- Opionally run non-toxic anti-freeze through system

Can somebody please help me understand where and how to drain the water out of the system? How many plugs are there? Do I need to drain the water out if I am going to run anti-freeze through the system?

Thanks!
you skipped a few steps

like checking alignment, bellows, gimbal, etc.

there are 5 plugs on your VP

here is the process from the stickies https://forums.iboats.com/threads/winterizing-inboard-and-i-o.770207/
 

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It has to do with the design of the cooling system & location of the raw water pump (impeller).
Gravity feed, what I mean by that is that you put the winterizing tank full of AF on the swim platform at the rear of the boat. The AF then flows via gravity thru the muffs to the lower unit. First realize that a rubber impeller cannot suck water up if the cooling hoses have mostly drained of water; they move water when the cooling hoses are full of water.
When the boat is in the water hydrostatic pressure pushes water up thru the water intakes, up about 18” and then thru the transom mount and about 3’ forward to the impeller housing on the engine. Then the impeller moves water into the stat housing.
With the boat on land it doesn’t work that way. The water drains partially out of the hoses that go from the transom mount to the impeller housing and also out of the outdrive water passages. This is why you need pressure from a water hose and tight fitting muffs to run the engine on land without burning up the impeller & overheating the engine. Gravity feed alone won’t to this. Now on Merc Alphas the impeller is in the lower unit so it can work. The water only has to rise to the top of the lower gear housing. In any engine with an engine mounted impeller it has to travel
much further as I described above. 18” up & 3’ forward in any engine with the engine mounted impeller.
The only way it could safely consistently work with the engine mounted impeller is if you connect a pump to the tank to pressurize the flow (like a bilge pump or a live well pump).
That said, I find it easier, simpler and less stressful to manually drain and manually back fill the AF via the hoses as I described. Remember if you use the winterizing tank you are draining the engine first anyway.
In fact that is how OEMs like Merc,Volvo & OMC
advised in their manuals. Not one of the them ever advised doing it that shortcut way!
Thank you for the in-depth explanation. That makes more sense now. Are there any additional steps or precautions with the manual process if I will be doing it with the outdrive removed? I assume not but figured I would ask.
 

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You guys have any insight on the oil to use? The Service manual says SAE 30 and specifically says not to use multi-viscosity oils. I'm seeing things online about VP advocating 10W-40 for post '02 engines which doesn't help me. I'm not sure what my previous mechanic put in there but he is not returning my calls. What would you suggest? Sierra SAE 30 to stick with what is in the manual? Or go with a synthetic 10W-40 ?
 

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Other options:
Rotella 15/40
Delo 15/40
Valvoline VR-1 20/50
The thing to avoid is any non syn 10/30 or 10/40 because they will break down under sustained RPM use. I have used the Merc conventional 25/40 and the syn blend 25/50 both hold their viscosity well; I know this because I do a Blackstone oil analysis at the end of each year…
 

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Other options:
Rotella 15/40
Delo 15/40
Valvoline VR-1 20/50
The thing to avoid is any non syn 10/30 or 10/40 because they will break down under sustained RPM use. I have used the Merc conventional 25/40 and the syn blend 25/50 both hold their viscosity well; I know this because I do a Blackstone oil analysis at the end of each year…
Thank you!!! This is very helpful. How much AF do I need to do the manual fill? 2 gallons?
 

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So it really doesn’t have to be “marine” engine oil because this is just a Chevy block, correct?
 

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Other options:
Rotella 15/40
Delo 15/40
Valvoline VR-1 20/50
The thing to avoid is any non syn 10/30 or 10/40 because they will break down under sustained RPM use. I have used the Merc conventional 25/40 and the syn blend 25/50 both hold their viscosity well; I know this because I do a Blackstone oil analysis at the end of each year…
Out of curiosity for the Rotella, Delo or Valvoline are you referring to synthetic for all of those? Sorry for all of the questions, I appreciate your patience and guidance with me
 

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You can really use either one, if you always used syn before then I’d continue, but the conventional oils are good too. To me the true test is 2 things:
1) oil analysis, does it stay in grade or shear down?
2) hot slow idle oil pressure, how much does it drop from cold oil pressure? Esp after running on plane…
I like to see at least 20/25 psi hot slow idle after coming off plane….
 

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You can really use either one, if you always used syn before then I’d continue, but the conventional oils are good too. To me the true test is 2 things:
1) oil analysis, does it stay in grade or shear down?
2) hot slow idle oil pressure, how much does it drop from cold oil pressure? Esp after running on plane…
I like to see at least 20/25 psi hot slow idle after coming off plane….
Thank you, Lou
 

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I agree, there have been a few reports of those cracking, but it's kind of hard to see why it wouldn't drain when you pull the bottom end of the big hose on the circulating pump. And the Pre Vortec like mine doesn't have that drain. Not sure what the changed, but the water passage might be a bit bigger, the Pre-Vortec has an exhaust cross over that the Vortec does not, it could even be the angle that the engine is at when it's drained.
 
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