Schools

[CJY]

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What did you type that I distorted? I will tell you - nothing.<br /><br />

However, it is painfully obvious that some states cant educate.<br />

I see, double standards. Unlike yours, my comment was not meant as an insult. <br /><br />It was not intended as a lecture, it was my point of view whether you agree, disagree, like it or not. If you view it as a lecture, I guess that is your issue, not mine. I simply think you don't like being called out on something you have no defense for.<br /> <br />"Fear": How does privatizing all of the schools change anything I have stated. Below, you will find my "fears" as previously stated.<br /><br />Privatizing public schools would completely polarize each and every community. It would be the haves vs. the have-nots. Don't think so, think some more. Scenario: Two children, one lives in the affluent region of town while the other does not. The "quality" private school is located, well, you know where, and is within walking distance, while the other student would like to attend the "quality" school but has no transportation due to single parent home that has to work. Do you think there would be buses to take students to the school of their choice? Yah right. If so, on whose dollar?<br /><br />What exactly is a voucher? A voucher is a piece of paper worth X amount of dollars that a student could use to attend a private school of their choice. Who is going to pay for these vouchers, local, state, federal? State and federal have already been making massive cuts leaving many districts in the red. Local... what if you want your child to attend outside your locality because they have everything you want for your child? Probably won't be able to go. Most would not want their tax dollars to pay for students from another community.<br /><br />The voucher vs. public debate has never answered the single-most important question we should all want the answer to. How will private schools improve education? Higher standards....how, whose standards? More choice....for some, but they already have choices other less fortunate students do not. How much choice do the "private" schools have when selecting their students? Full choice...none? <br /><br />Humans will still be teaching after having attended the same universities as they do today for the same pay as today. Starting teacher salary depending where you live, as low as $20,000. Compare that to a MD or Lawyer salary. My point, many top students/minds go elsewhere to make a living. Education also has parents and the government wanting to control or pressure every aspect of education making it an undesirable profession. You make the choice, what would you tell your children to do? Don't give me the amount of education differs. At least where I live, by the time a teacher retires, they will be required to take more classes than any graduating lawyer will ever have to take.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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You completly distorted my point about praying in school. I only used that as an example, not the reason why I want to privitize schools.<br /><br />Are you saying that the current public school system isnt polarized??<br /><br />The voucher comes from where the current school funds come from. Take the current amount of money collected by all gov areas and divide it equally by the students. Not real hard math there.<br /><br />I am not suggesting it will improve education. What is will do is put the choices back into the parents hands. Please explain why you fear this idea?????????<br /><br />You seem to think the government does things better than private companies. This is where you and I differ ideologically.<br /><br />I guess you think it would be better if all business were run by the government. Many of your same arguments could be made for that idea.<br /><br />As for me personally, I moved to a place where the school is good. I no longer need to worry about sending them to private school. But think of all the other people who would like to move but cant afford to. DOnt you think they should have the same opportunities as my kids do?<br /><br />And if you think all public schools are the same, you are sadly mistaken. My sister teaches at a school about 5 miles away from my sons school. She is lucky if half her students pass her tests. She is lucky if half of them behave properly.<br /><br />Ken

 

[Kwas]

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Kwas, if the government is setting the standards, nothing has changed. <br /><br />The gov does not run schools, they set the minimum to graduate which is what you still want. They simply give and take money away at their discretion. What makes you think the government is running schools?<br /><br />Furthermore, what evidence do you have private would vastly improve education? Public education cannot be dismantled on a prayer you know.<br />

My point is who other than the government should set the standards. When I use the term government I am talking about state, county and locan government, not the federal government. Who do you think should set standards?<br /><br />If it's not government running the public schools who is it? The school boards hire teachers, pay them, build the schools, and manage them. Are you REALLY saying that the government does NOT run Public schools?<br /><br />Although there are exceptions to the rule it is a will known fact that private and charter schools provide a better educations. I am not going to do any reasearch on that because I am already convinced.

 

[CJY]

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SCHOOLS ARE NOT RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT!!! They are their own entity. The government tries to control schools through funding. This is how schools(the ones accepting fed money) are forced to adhere to "no child left behind," while schools accepting state money have to adhere to graduation tests. That is it. Public schools cannot operate without, at least, state money. When was the last time your governor was administrating in your local school? Under your plan KIZ, the government funding part of the equation would not change. Therefore, you must also think the government operates better than the private sector.<br /><br />I never said today's system is better. I simply pointed out privatizing will not change anything as far as academic achievement goes. Academic achievement is the reason children go to school. It may not be all that a child gets while there, but it is the reason they are required to attend and it is the standard by which a school is measured.<br /><br />Schools are nowhere near as polarized as they would become if students freely selected where they would go. Students with money are much more likely to have transportation to and from the school of their choice. Are schools all the same today, absolutely not. Never said they were. In many states the way schools are funded has been declared unconstitutional. As it stands, rich districts have rich schools because local school funding is a result of property value. Go to the inner city where homes are a nickel a dozen and you have a school that is in shambles. Why is it like this, I guess because the rich can pay for a louder voice than the poor can.<br /><br />

Not real hard math there

Theres that double standard again. <br /><br />

You completly distorted my point about praying in school. I only used that as an example, not the reason why I want to privitize schools.

I did not know you were playing games to get a reaction. I guess I would have thought you would go with your "real" reason rather than the imitation. <br /><br />

My sister teaches at a school about 5 miles away from my sons school. She is lucky if half her students pass her tests. She is lucky if half of them behave properly.

I would be willing to guess that your sister teaches in a school that has less money in the area.<br /><br />This leads me to the question; are schools responsible for today's society or are poor schools a result of everything that is wrong with today's society? Remember, in the inner-city, where schools tend to be the worst in student achievement and daily violence, also have unproportionate amounts of criminal violence, single parent homes, outside of the school.

 

[CJY]

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Kwas,<br /><br />Kwas said:<br />"My point is who other than the government should set the standards."<br /><br />I never said anybody else should. I think they are set just fine. You are screaming for change, and my point is that if the gov continues to set standards, nothing will change. <br /><br />Kwas said:<br />"The school boards hire teachers, pay them, build the schools, and manage them. Are you REALLY saying that the government does NOT run Public schools?"<br /><br />None of these entities are necessarily associated with any government, local, state, or federal. So yes, I am saying the government does not run the schools.

 

[tommays]

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We have a Commissioner of Education at the state level and a BOARD of REGENTS<br /><br />

The New York State Board of Regents is phasing in a more stringent graduation standard that will require most high school students to pass five Regents exams with a score of 65 or higher, when fully implemented in 2008. For more students, the higher standard could mean multiple exam attempts and/or more than four years in high school. In Western New York, both the number and percentage of students scoring 65 or higher on Regents math and English exams has increased and continues to exceed performance statewide. However, only slightly more than two-thirds of recent high school graduates across the region earned a Regents diploma, the only type of diploma that will be available to most students entering grade nine beginning in September 2008.

They make state wide tests that everybody in NYS MUST pass and there phasing out local diplomas So its more like the public school must teach to state set standards <br /><br />tommays

 

[RubberFrog]

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CJY, I'd like to see your credentials for all of the blowhard opinions you've been spouting.

 

[POINTER94]

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You folks wouldn't beleive what your teachers say about your kids. It is sick. Everything from what a neat kid to what a loser, disgusting, worthless piece of sh$%, he/she is. You will find the same issues you see in society consistant within the ranks of the teaching profession. Drugs, alcohol, petifiles, liars, theives, the entire spectrum of society ills can be found within the ranks of the public schools. The difference is, within the spectrum of private industry you can fire someone. Try firing a teacher. Check the number of fired teachers in your local school system. 1% of you are lucky. My guess is you might find 1 or 2 in the past 20 years. But in most you won't find any. Guess what those bad teachers are doing today? Yep, teaching your kids.<br /><br />Toss in the retarded social programs we load our teachers with, like educating illegal aleins, most of which don't speak english, and you wonder why your children can't get the special attention they need and you have the formula for failure. Lets' not forget that we now feed the children, provide their health care, Mental and physical, and the growing number of special needs children being mainstreamed (old term) and being a teacher is a very challenging job.<br /><br />Last but not least is the parents. Irresponsible, uninvolved, products of the culture of entitlement. A very high number of children having children in single parent family structures and you no longer have any kind of support network at home for the childrens motivation.and well being. They think that they send their kids to school much like you and I send our cars to mechanics. They better be fixed by the time you pick them up at the end of the day.<br /><br />So, you have a less than ideal staff and an incredible burdern to remove lowsy performing teachers. Schools being used for cradle to grave social policies which they are ill-equipt to handle, parents who are experts at complaining and entitlements but clueless about actually spending time to the benenfit of their own children (unless it is sports related and such). Toss in lowsy management oversight from administrations with regards to costs, disjointed curriculums, the ever present threat of lawsuits if they do anything to offend someone, and lowsy distribution of infrastructure and you have a recipe for failure. Those of you who want to be involved and participate in your childrens education are now actually in the minority. <br /><br />The funny thing is I believe that the government does set the minimum standards, the key word being minimum. If your kid can't pass those standards, their future is bleak indeed. <br /><br />Good luck, you are going to need it. (I know the child molester title is mispelled it gets zapped)

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Just how much control do you believe the Federal Gov't should have over schools.

<br />ZERO, outside of mandatory grade school for all.<br />No subsidies for centers of indoctrination and "dumbing-down" of American youth.<br /><br />

Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> For my money next to none. Just food for thought.

Just give my money back, and let me pay for a GOOD education for my grandkids (too late for my babies, who have babes of their own now).

 

[Texashotdog]

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My daddy sent me to private school so I could get a good education away from the coloreds and white trash. We had smaller classes and were not held back by their ignorance, we had mostly pretty good kids. I guess that is why I sent my kids to private schools too.

 

[treedancer]

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I was about to ask when ilk season was but decided to look it up first, glad I did they don’t even have antlers. <br /><br /><br /> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ilk <br /><br />Word History: When one uses ilk, as in the phrase men of his ilk, one is using a word with an ancient pedigree even though the sense of ilk, “kind or sort,” is actually quite recent, having been first recorded at the end of the 18th century. This sense grew out of an older use of ilk in the phrase of that ilk, meaning “of the same place, territorial designation, or name.” This phrase was used chiefly in names of landed families, Guthrie of that ilk meaning “Guthrie of Guthrie.” “Same” is the fundamental meaning of the word. The ancestors of ilk, Old English ilca and Middle English ilke, were common words, usually appearing with such words as the or that, but the word hardly survived the Middle Ages in those uses.

 

[ob]

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I don't have anything to add to this topic.Just dropped in on another one of txwinners (pied piper)threads to have a looksee.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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I reckon we can add education to the list of forbidden now. No politics, religon, or education. This place might get boring without those. Good job TXS.

 

[--GQ--]

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GRAND OPENING! Grade K thru 6<br /><br />Greetings folks, just got back from City Hall. Dropped off application for License to open a private school. grade K through 6. Approved! It will arrive in my mail box in about three weeks. Meanwhile conducting interviews with a dozen potential teachers/staffs. Very promising resumes. AT least 7 of them finished high school. The rest obtained GED through various Correctional Institutions . Tomorrow will be interviewing a couple of janitors. One has been rehabilitated and no longer a drug attic. The other is on parole after serving 10 years for lude act on a minor.<br /><br />P.S. Our goal is to serve you for a brighter future. Enrollment is on a "first come first serve bases". Seats are limited. Please enroll your child today.

 

[Texashotdog]

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Naw, GQ private school is not that way. Most of my kids teachers had Masters degrees and all of them had teaching certificates. Now it cost a little money to go to the school but that kept all the problem kids. Last year all 18 graduates went on to college. It works for me.

 

[CJY]

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RF, I could, but I don't really care if you believe it or not. Rather than attack my credentials(by the way, simplistic tactic), why don't you attack my "blowhard opinions" with a bit of your own support? I will tell you why...I have stated nothing but facts in regard to school operation. Prove me wrong.<br /><br /> What did I say that you find so unbelievable? <br /><br />Also, I would like to see credentials from you before you begin to "spout off", now and in the future.<br /><br />I'm finished here.