Sad Story - Do not Drink and Boat

[jonesg]

Re: Sad Story - Do not Drink and Boat

I don't know what everyone's problem with legal drinking is. .

Alcoholics =are= impaired by one drink.

 

[skargo]

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I don't know what everyone's problem with legal drinking is. Since .080 BAC or above is legally drunk, it's obvious that you will be perfectly fine and fully in control of your boat while legally operating it with a BAC of .079.

 

[DonHof]

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Don't drink and drive!!!

We had some dumb kid driving drunk hit four guy's on motorcycles killed them all.

Another guy hit some DR taking his kids to school and killed him.

 

[HopeSheFloats]

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My thoughts on the subject...

Drinking & driving has been going on for eons it seems...not gonna change peoples thinking with words or law. Face the reality of it and drive defensively and stay alert. Folks with the 'I never seen it coming' replies after an accident, scare me more than the drunks."I was just minding my business,when outta nowhere..." means the innocent aren't so innocent after-all, you have to know your surroundings at all times, or your just adding to the problem.

Not sticking up for the drinkers, and I don't allow it while underway at anytime or in any vessel. I do drink btw for those interested, but just can't grasp on how it's only someone's Else's fault, it takes two to tangle, and unless your anchored or stopped due to traffic without any possible defensive choice's, IMO is not an accident, it's a failure of your duties of being in total control of your environment.

OK,Thanks for letting me have my say, now if you'll excuse me I should probably go put on my flameproof suit

 

[skargo]

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My thoughts on the subject...

Drinking & driving has been going on for eons it seems...not gonna change peoples thinking with words or law. Face the reality of it and drive defensively and stay alert. Folks with the 'I never seen it coming' replies after an accident, scare me more than the drunks."I was just minding my business,when outta nowhere..." means the innocent aren't so innocent after-all, you have to know your surroundings at all times, or your just adding to the problem.

Not sticking up for the drinkers, and I don't allow it while underway at anytime or in any vessel. I do drink btw for those interested, but just can't grasp on how it's only someone's Else's fault, it takes two to tangle, and unless your anchored or stopped due to traffic without any possible defensive choice's, IMO is not an accident, it's a failure of your duties of being in total control of your environment.

OK,Thanks for letting me have my say, now if you'll excuse me I should probably go put on my flameproof suit

I agree, to a point. However, many head on crashes happen in a split second, and there is no time, nor an escape route for the people being hit. I'm referring to automobiles.

 

[HopeSheFloats]

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I agree, to a point. However, many head on crashes happen in a split second, and there is no time, nor an escape route for the people being hit. I'm referring to automobiles.

Yeah I hear you, I'm not saying there is no such thing as an accident, in the case you've presented, or in any, where split second defense is hopeless, it does soley rest on the offending driver and not much you can do about except KYAG{kiss your ...goodbye}. But...99% of the time, if your totally
aware of what the other driver is doing or not doing, you should...repeat..'should' have enough time to avoid it or at least limiting the damage that's about to occur...

I also have a hard time believing in blaming accidents like these on 'act's of God' which I've heard on occasion.

But hey, I've been wrong in my line of thoughts before...

 

[skargo]

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HAHA, I hear you, I'm wrong a lot!

 

[skargo]

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This happened locally Saturday night.
Alcohol use is suspected.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-boating-accident-20100815,0,2958370.story

 

[natemoore]

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Boating and drinking kills. Not every time and not every one but it is as dangerous or worse than driving a car while drunk

Firstly, I have not consumed a single alcoholic beverage while driving our boat around on Santa Rosa Sound. Watching my two kids have the time of their lives while I pull them on a big Budweiser tube is a big enough "high" (yes I know, alcohol is a depressant).

Secondly, I love bourbon. Being a southern boy from Alabama, bourbon is part of my heritage. Give me a cigar and a Mint Julep and I'm in heaven. My kinfolk made moonshine for the revenuers, although as Southern Baptists, they never drank the stuff, except for my great great granddad who, as an adolescent boy had to spend the night locked in the root cellar because he got into the moonshine and was acting a fool. My late great aunt told me that story. It was very funny.

That said, how in the hell can drunk boating be worse than drunk driving? When I boat, there may be one other boat within a half mile radius. When I drive, I've got cars and trucks all around me, half of which are traveling at high speed in the opposite direction a couple of feet from my own truck.

It takes an incredible amount of energy to overcome friction on the water and the boat wants to stop on a dime the second the throttle is cut. An automobile wants to keep flying down the road, careening out of control, crossing the centerline, wiping out a power pole, and landing in the top of a stand of palm trees hundreds of yards down the road. Saw this a few days ago.

I hate hyperbole almost as much as I hate drunk driving.

 

[skargo]

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Yeah, because hyperbole kills millions too hahaha.

I love all the varying opinions. Who cares where it's more dangerous, on the road, or on the water. Being under the influence can be dangerous anywhere, even walking. I had a friend die when he was drunk, tripped, and hit his head on the ground.

Just be safe and have consideration for others, even if you don't care for yourself.

 

[25thmustang]

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I have had a couple beers on the boat on a few trips. Not while driving, as CT law has changed, and not even close to the legal limit.

I don't need the beer to enjoy life, most of my best life experiences have happened without a drop of alcohol. But when I'm relaxing on the boat, a beer or two with friends is a nice way to enjoy myself.

I respect those who don't drink, and don't allow it on their boats. I allow it and will partake from time to time. All I ask is that I'm not judged because I have had two beers in 4 hours, and happen to be driving the boat at the end of the day.

Overnighting at the slip, I have been known to consume a few more, but at that point the keys are put away, and the cards are usually out playing some kind of card game.

 

[natemoore]

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I have had a couple beers on the boat on a few trips. Not while driving, as CT law has changed, and not even close to the legal limit.

I don't need the beer to enjoy life, most of my best life experiences have happened without a drop of alcohol. But when I'm relaxing on the boat, a beer or two with friends is a nice way to enjoy myself.

I respect those who don't drink, and don't allow it on their boats. I allow it and will partake from time to time. All I ask is that I'm not judged because I have had two beers in 4 hours, and happen to be driving the boat at the end of the day.

Overnighting at the slip, I have been known to consume a few more, but at that point the keys are put away, and the cards are usually out playing some kind of card game.

An adult 180 lb male can pound a couple of beers then consume one beer per hour indefinitely without coming anywhere close to being impaired. The liver can metabolize approx. one ounce of alcohol per hour. If you know physics and physiology, you can enjoy beer all day long on the water without endangering yourself and others. Just pace yourself. Those who say "even one beer can impair you" aren't living in reality. We're driving boats, not catching bullets in our teeth.

 

[skargo]

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An adult 180 lb male can pound a couple of beers then consume one beer per hour indefinitely without coming anywhere close to being impaired. The liver can metabolize approx. one ounce of alcohol per hour. If you know physics and physiology, you can enjoy beer all day long on the water without endangering yourself and others. Just pace yourself. Those who say "even one beer can impair you" aren't living in reality. We're driving boats, not catching bullets in our teeth.

BS. Those that think like you are justifying their need for alcohol, I recommend AA for you.

You're saying a 180 pounder can have 3 in one hour and not have any skills or ractions diminished, oooook, are you drunk right now?

7 to 14 grams of alcohol an hour =1/4 to 1/2 ounce in my book,
http://www.medicinenet.com/alcohol_and_nutrition/page2.htm

regardless, to make such broad sweeping statements like you did considering all the variables is silly.

 

[natemoore]

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BS. Those that think like you are justifying their need for alcohol, I recommend AA for you.

You're saying a 180 pounder can have 3 in one hour and not have any skills or ractions diminished, oooook, are you drunk right now?

7 to 14 grams of alcohol an hour =1/4 to 1/2 ounce in my book,
http://www.medicinenet.com/alcohol_and_nutrition/page2.htm

regardless, to make such broad sweeping statements like you did considering all the variables is silly.

It goes by body weight and gender. Ninety-pound girl is different than a 180 lb man. Do you get your metabolic numbers from the Third Chapter of Jack Squat? One oz. per hour. It's a fact. I didn't say three, I said a couple, i.e., two, then one per per hour ad infinitum. So....three beers in three hours?!?!? Four beers in four hours?!?! Etc. Are you a panty wearing lightweight? I recommend a dose of reason for you.

 

[skargo]

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It goes by body weight and gender. Ninety-pound girl is different than a 180 lb man. Do you get your metabolic numbers from the Third Chapter of Jack Squat? One oz. per hour. It's a fact. I didn't say three, I said a couple, i.e., two, then one per per hour ad infinitum. So....three beers in three hours?!?!? Four beers in four hours?!?! Etc. Are you a panty wearing lightweight? I recommend a dose of reason for you.

You DID say 3. YOU said a guy could pound a COUPLE beers, then have one per hour. That's 3 in the first hour.

You ARE drunk right now, aren't you?

Talk to you tomorrow when your hangover wears off LOL.

And I am thinking you MUST be drunk, talking tough on the net and throwing insults out. If you asked if I was a panty wearing lightweight in person, I'd let you EAT my boxers. You'd enjoy them too tough guy.

 

[natemoore]

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You DID say 3. YOU said a guy could pound a COUPLE beers, then have one per hour. That's 3 in the first hour.

You ARE drunk right now, aren't you?

Talk to you tomorrow when your hangover wears off LOL.

And I am thinking you MUST be drunk, talking tough on the net and throwing insults out. If you asked if I was a panty wearing lightweight in person, I'd let you EAT my boxers. You'd enjoy them too tough guy.

Yeah, okay, the panty comment was over the line. Sorry.:redface: This was starting to sound like the disagreements I'd had with a local talk radio personality/baptist preacher whose leading the charge to make our county dry. Can't defend a rational position without him calling you an alcoholic and bringing up the two girls who were killed on their way to church by a drunk.

A lot of issues get demagogued. Used to be that CO2 was the food of life. Now it "pollutes the air we breath and the water we drink." Cigarette smoking kills 50,000 people a year! Except they don't mention it's going to kill you when your 72. The oil spill in the Gulf is going to end life as we know it. This issue is demagogued too. I detest demagoguery, as well as hyperbole.

Before I was commissioned in the Marine Corps, we had to go through a course called Navy Alcohol and Substance Abuse Prevention Program. It was based on science and actually equipped us with valuable knowledge to navigate the work-hard, play-hard drinking culture of the USMC. I remember the chart from which I got my "rule of thumb." So, I know if I'm going to the O'club for four hours, I know I'd better not have more than three or four beers. This is where the demagoguery begins: "Oh, you're a drunk driver! Boo! Boo!" But the reality is that I'd barely register on a breathalyzer due to the good ole liver metabolizing the alcohol at the rate of about 1 oz of C2H5OH per hour. A standard beer has about .3 oz of C2H5OH, so the safety factor is built in. So, actually the three beers would be metabolized in one hour on average, although I would hate the bloated feeling.

The menace to society is not the boater who has a few beers while out fishing (I personally drink only Gatorade when out on the boat). Nor is it the driver who has two glasses of wine with dinner. It's the 23 year old fool who does tequila shots or funnelates beer all night then thinks it's a good idea to drive, much less drive 100 mph down Hwy 98.

But in a society that can't tell the difference between an honor student bringing a cough drop to school and a drug dealer bringing X, I would expect this black-and-white, no-shades-of-grey mentality.

 

[Jeep Man]

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I agree, I missed the entire fact that it happened in Canada. :redface:

I live in Canada, as do many others on this forum.

KPH= knots per hour
Km/h=kilometers per hour

 

[skargo]

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Yeah, okay, the panty comment was over the line. Sorry.:redface: This was starting to sound like the disagreements I'd had with a local talk radio personality/baptist preacher whose leading the charge to make our county dry. Can't defend a rational position without him calling you an alcoholic and bringing up the two girls who were killed on their way to church by a drunk.

A lot of issues get demagogued. Used to be that CO2 was the food of life. Now it "pollutes the air we breath and the water we drink." Cigarette smoking kills 50,000 people a year! Except they don't mention it's going to kill you when your 72. The oil spill in the Gulf is going to end life as we know it. This issue is demagogued too. I detest demagoguery, as well as hyperbole.

Before I was commissioned in the Marine Corps, we had to go through a course called Navy Alcohol and Substance Abuse Prevention Program. It was based on science and actually equipped us with valuable knowledge to navigate the work-hard, play-hard drinking culture of the USMC. I remember the chart from which I got my "rule of thumb." So, I know if I'm going to the O'club for four hours, I know I'd better not have more than three or four beers. This is where the demagoguery begins: "Oh, you're a drunk driver! Boo! Boo!" But the reality is that I'd barely register on a breathalyzer due to the good ole liver metabolizing the alcohol at the rate of about 1 oz of C2H5OH per hour. A standard beer has about .3 oz of C2H5OH, so the safety factor is built in. So, actually the three beers would be metabolized in one hour on average, although I would hate the bloated feeling.

The menace to society is not the boater who has a few beers while out fishing (I personally drink only Gatorade when out on the boat). Nor is it the driver who has two glasses of wine with dinner. It's the 23 year old fool who does tequila shots or funnelates beer all night then thinks it's a good idea to drive, much less drive 100 mph down Hwy 98.

But in a society that can't tell the difference between an honor student bringing a cough drop to school and a drug dealer bringing X, I would expect this black-and-white, no-shades-of-grey mentality.

It's all good, I was just being argumentative. :redface:

I live in Canada, as do many others on this forum.

KPH= knots per hour
Km/h=kilometers per hour

Hey now, thanks! Some new info to liven up the thread!

 

[Tim Frank]

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I live in Canada, as do many others on this forum.

KPH= knots per hour
Km/h=kilometers per hour

No.
KPH is more commonly an acronym for km/hr.
Knots are nautical miles/hr already, KPH has nothing to do with Knots.

 

[natemoore]

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No.
KPH is more commonly an acronym for km/hr.
Knots are nautical miles/hr already, KPH has nothing to do with Knots.

Yes. Knots per hour would actually be acceleration.