replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

clanton

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

I think you have a flaked out stator.
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

I am hoping I will be able to get the flywheel loose in the next few days and with any luck the problem will be obvious. I was really hoping it would be ovious to everyone here that the stator was bad so I could get it ordered, but oh well better safe to wait I guess. Is it possible the charging problem and the engine problem could be from a bad power pack, it looks like someone cut the ground wire and spliced it back together with a butt connector, it looks ok but you never know.
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

is expoxy melted and dripped on block?

from what I can see from under the flywheel, it does not look like anything has dripped from under the flywheel. I still am unable to remove the flywheel, I soaked it with pb blaster again tonight.

since I have tried 3 different rectifiers and the sytem still does not charge the battery.. and everyone seems to think (at the moment anyway until I pull flywheel) the stator is good, what else would cause the charging system to not work? I would really like to order the parts but I also dont want to order the wrong parts at $200+ per part. hopefuly my service manual gets here soon...this clymer manual is useless, only thing its good for is holding the sheets of paper I have printed from these threads.
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

I was finally able to get the flywheel off, everything looks to be ok cosmetically. Not sure where to go from here. ANY OTHER SUGGETIONS???
 

wilde1j

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Regulator/Rectifiers Tests
1. With all wires connected and the engine running at approximately 1500 RPM, check the DVA voltage from
each battery charge wire (typically Yellow wire) to engine ground. The two readings must be within 1.5 volts of
each other (i.e. if one is reading 20 volts, the other has to read between 18.5 and 21.5 volts). If the readings are
not equal, go to step 3. If they are equal, go to step 2.
2. Check DVA voltage from each of the Yellow wires to the Red wire going to the solenoid. The two readings
must be within 1.5 volts of each other. If the readings are unequal, go to step 3. If they are equal on both this
step and step 1, the regulator/rectifier and battery charging portion of the stator are good.
3. If the readings are unequal, place a mark across the connection between the stator and regulator/rectifier that
measured low. Turn the engine off and swap the stator leads. Crank the engine up and retest. The component
(stator or regulator/rectifier) that has the marked wire with the low reading is bad.

Alternate RR Procedure:
Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.

4. Disconnect the regulator?s Gray wire. At 800-1000 RPM, check the DVA voltage on the Gray wire FROM THE
REGULATOR measured to engine ground. The reading should be at least 8V DVA. If below 8V DVA, see
TACHOMETER TESTS below.
Regulator/Rectifier Bench Tests
1. Diode plate check:
With all wires disconnected from the regulator/rectifier, using a meter set on its Diode scale, test the diodes
from each of the two battery charge wires/terminals (typically Yellow wires/terminals) to the Red wire/terminal.
You should get a reading one way but not the other. Check the resistance from each of the Yellow
wires/terminals to case ground. You should have a high reading, typically in the M range. The Red
wire/terminal should not read to ground, but may show a very high reading (25M ohms or more).
2. Tachometer Circuit:
With all wires disconnected from the regulator/rectifier, check resistance between the Gray wire and engine
ground. You should read approximately 10K (10,000) ohms. Both (Gray to Red) and (Gray to each of the
Yellow) wires should be a high reading, typically in the M range.
Tachometer Tests
1. Disconnect the regulator?s Gray wire. At 800-1000 RPM, check the DVA voltage on the Gray wire FROM THE
REGULATOR measured to engine ground. The reading should be 8V+ DVA. If not, replace the regulator.
2. If at least 8V DVA, run a jumper wire from the Gray wire out of the harness to one of the stator?s Yellow wires.
3. If still no tachometer signal, try a known-good tachometer.
4. If still no tachometer signal, replace the stator.

If you don't have a DVA, you can order one here:
http://www.usatoolwarehouse.com/usatoolwarehouse/ESI-640.html
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

well this is getting old quick :( :confused:
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

ok...I put a timing light on the motor to try and find out if it is one paticular cylinder that is missing...and the timing light will not work, it works fine when I connect it to my car. does this mean anything to anyone?

this is the timing light I am useing:
http://buy1.snapon.com/products/diagnostics/time_mt1241P.asp
 

seahorse5

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Does your new rectifier have a purple wire coming off it that connects to the engine wiring harness purple wire? If so, make sure there is 12V at the engine purple wire when the key is turned to ON and the engine not running.

Factory replacement regulators for the last 10 years do not use the purple wire on the motor.

Did you install a brand new regulator or a used one that someone told you was good?

If a new regulator was installed was it a genuine OEM one or an aftermarket brand?
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Does your new rectifier have a purple wire coming off it that connects to the engine wiring harness purple wire? If so, make sure there is 12V at the engine purple wire when the key is turned to ON and the engine not running.

Factory replacement regulators for the last 10 years do not use the purple wire on the motor.

Did you install a brand new regulator or a used one that someone told you was good?

If a new regulator was installed was it a genuine OEM one or an aftermarket brand?

Yes it has a purple wire,and it is brand new not used. and it is BRP/Johnson brand (it was only $20 more for factory replacement over aftermarket). I will verifiy it has 12v at the purple wire today and post results. thanks
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Does your new rectifier have a purple wire coming off it that connects to the engine wiring harness purple wire? If so, make sure there is 12V at the engine purple wire when the key is turned to ON and the engine not running.

Yes. it does have 12v when key in in the on position.
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Well I decided to pull the trigger last night and ordered a new Stator....Heres hoping it's the problem/fix, I will update when it is installed, it should be here by the end of the week I hope. If this does not correct the problem then it has to be the Power Pack right?
 

bkwapisz

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

I'm interested in seeing how this works out. I'm having a similar problem, have new R/R in hand but while the flywheel's off I may swap the stator as well. It's been raining here so I haven't been able to test mine though.

Keep us posted and good luck!
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Well I decided to pull the trigger last night and ordered a new Stator....Heres hoping it's the problem/fix, I will update when it is installed, it should be here by the end of the week I hope. If this does not correct the problem then it has to be the Power Pack right?

The power pack has nothing to do with the charging circuit.
 

wilde1j

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

^^^ Agree. It's only a CD ignition system.
 

clemsonfor

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Joe is an experienced outboard techie but perhaps electrics are not his strong point.

Joe is a certified Johnson mechanic with now over like 35 years experience i think he is certified to diagnose the electronics on this motor. He will help and give knowlege where he takes a notion to, but there are so many posts on her and its hard to even follow one you posted in unless you make it a point to refind it. He has been nothing but helpful and correct in anything i have asked him or searched on with a post from him.

-Nate
 

clemsonfor

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

It may be a stator, even though you think you did it all correct maybe the settings were not correct or maybe something was not done right. I had a problem with my 60hp that would cutout and not restart, It pointed to coils but they were both replaced and it would be on both cyls. Nothing really pointed to powerpack no tests or symptoms, but i said it has to be it and if not it wont hurt anything to have new electronics on it, so i replaced it and problem solved. My point is that the stator could be bad some of your test results are conflicting, these guys are experts or know there stuff and we follow direction on some things and sometimes miss a detail. Just cause some of the results it still could be bad. But dont get dishearted if not remember your still throwing a part at it blindly.

-Nate
 

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

Joe is a certified Johnson mechanic with now over like 35 years experience i think he is certified to diagnose the electronics on this motor
But unfortunately some of the things he said earlier in this thread were extremely confusing.
For example he said, "On high ohms... connect the meter leads between those two yellow leads. The reading should be infinite.... looks like a dead short"
Which did he mean ? Infinite or a dead short. The two are the exact opposite of each other. ( on a high ohms range of course the reading should have been zero, not infinite)

He then says, "Still on high ohms... connect one meter lead to a yellow wire, the other meter lead to ground. There should be absolutely no reading. Connect the meter lead to the other yellow wire. There should be no reading there either".
What does he mean by "no reading" It would have been clear if he had said said "infinity". Anybody could be excused for taking "no reading" as meaning zero, which was not what he meant.


I must admit that I am waiting to see the outcome of fitting a new stator.

most things point to a stator fault ... and I think I would have replaced it ... but the tests aimed at confirming the stator to be defective do not seem to have not done so.
 

daselbee

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

^^^^^^^

Exactly what Vic.S said.
I too am waiting to see what a new stator does. The OP has posted many errors, mis-leading the pack of people trying to help.

The only thing I can see that MAY be wrong is a 1 -2 ohm stator winding resistance, but I cannot rely on the OPs measurements.

The 18v AC output would be OK I think.
 

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

I just happened to start reading through this thread and you mentioned earlier that the vro was disconnected and there was a purple wire from it going to the regulator that was disconnected and you left it that way. Where is the purple wire from the reglator now going? Unless this is the latest and greatest reg from BRP you need 12 volt B+ to turn it on so it will charge.
 

Pokertrampp

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Re: replaced rectifier and it still is not charging.

I just happened to start reading through this thread and you mentioned earlier that the vro was disconnected and there was a purple wire from it going to the regulator that was disconnected and you left it that way. Where is the purple wire from the reglator now going? Unless this is the latest and greatest reg from BRP you need 12 volt B+ to turn it on so it will charge.

There is a purple wire coming from the regulator/rectifier, and a purple wire coming from the stator and then another purple wire coming from the VRO which is disconnected. the purple wires have 12 volts when the key is in the on position and 0 volts when the key is in the off position. i could be wrong about where one of the purple wires is coming from..I am not sure if it was the powerpak or stator I am not home where the motor is right now.
 
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