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mobgod

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Re: power loss

Simple stator test.... You should have a ohm reading between the brown wire and the brown/yellow wire. You should not have a ohm reading between either of those wires and ground.

Also, do a visual check of the stator to make sure that it isn't cracked and dripping a sticky looking substance down upon the powerhead area.

However..... your explanation of the problem does not indicate a stator problem, it does indicate a fuel restriction problem, especially when you say all was well until you did some work on your built in fuel tank. Note that there are two different ID size fuel line hoses... the V6 engine demands the larger size. If you installed the smaller size, therein lies your problem.

It's possible that you may have either kinked the air vent hose or the fuel line, or the anti siphon valve is sticking. Do you receive any kind of warning from your warning horn setup? Check to make sure the warning horn is functional as follows.

Engine not running, key in ON position, ground out one of the TAN wire that you see protruding from the cylinder heads (heat sensor). The horn should sound when that TAN wire is grounded... if it does not, find out why.

Note that the fuel primer bulb normally has a tendency to flatten out when a fuel restriction takes place.
Joe quick question what do I need to set my tester at for the ohm test what number
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: power loss

Set it on Low ohms for a reading between the two wires..... High ohms to check for shorts.
 

mobgod

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Ok guys back again at this problem fuel pumps where just rebuilt and still have the bog at WOT so what should be my next step or if someone can list a couple of things for me to try. Just throwing a couple things out there could this be a sync and link problem,timing ect... or the motor would not run right to begin with?
 

mobgod

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ok got the "GUY" coming out again what should he test for now ?
 

mobgod

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Don't mean to be a pain just looking for my next step what to do for this issue?
 

Joe Reeves

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Going back to a starting point, a refresher of sorts, This "Bogging" you speak of at WOT......................

Bogging in our terms has always indicated and been described as a engine dying out when throttle is applied.

Does this 1977 200hp have a tendency to die out instantly when the throttle is advanced to full throttle?

Does this engine actually hit full throttle when the throttle is advanced to full throttle and runs normally for a time before the problem occurs?

When the problem occurs, does the rpms decrease and increase gradually such as a engine running out of fuel, then regaining access to fuel once again?

When this problem occurs, does the rpms decrease and increase rapidly such as a bare ignition wire grounding out intermitently at a high rate of speed, due to vibration or whatever?

This engine ran fine before you worked on your gas tank according to your posts. After you worked on the tank, the problem occured.

Have you checked the air vent or fuel supply line for kinks? Have you tried another fuel tank? Do you receive any warnings via the warning horn.... and does the horn work?
 

mobgod

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I have checked the hose it's fine also horns do work just trying to see what else I can check maybe it's a power pack? I'm going to do a small video to show what's going on only and only at wot the motor bogs than it will pickup bog until I pull back on the throttle
 

Joe Reeves

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Should I think of any questions you might answer, I'll be back.
 

mobgod

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Ok back again now i'm very lost took a friend out had him prime the bulb at wot seemed like it did get better but the bog was still there changed tanks still the bog than we took the water seperator off empty that put that back on ran at wot no bog but now feels like i lost power at 5k i'm only doing like 28 knots but i know for a fact thats bad because with the bog at wot i was able to feel the power difference. What do you think now should i change the plugs to see if that will help? or do you think this is a coil problem now?
 

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anyone have a idea on this now bog seems like it's gone but now at wot seems like i lost the power that should be there. Not sure what to do next change the plugs,check for lose grounds ect.... ?
 

mobgod

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Ok really going crazy what was done today by passed the water separator still same result I guess what I'm getting at could this be a stator issue what's going on now is I get the boat to move at wot but maybe 30 secs into that the rpms drop to 3k and stay there I was told that my stator will break down at high rpms could this be the issue ? If not please suggest what I should be looking for or doing.
 

nphilbro

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I changed over from a 1980 140hp to a 1978 200hp last month but didn't change the fuel lines. It kept shutting down on me as I got over 4000'ish rpms. New hose (larger ID marine fuel hose/more rigid), same problem, but not as bad. I put a portable fuel tank in the splashwell directly connected - opened right up! I suspect now my fuel pickup tube is not wide enough. My aluminum tank has another access that I can add a larger OD pickup tube. On my boat there is about 8' of line between the connector and tank with a water separator in between.

Perhaps that's it? Can you check by a direct connection to a portable tank?
 

mobgod

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I'm going to try that one more time but don't think it's a fuel issue any more. I did a direct connect from motor to tank same result. So i'm left to believe this is a stator issue reason being when i open her up she goes for about 30 secs than drops to 3k rpm's and stays there,if i put her in nutural let sit for a sec than open her up again she goes,so could the stator be breaking down to cause this or is this another problem????
 

dehydrated

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Re: power loss

Shift assist switch could be dropping 3 cylinders spark have someone test that
 

mobgod

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Shift assist switch could be dropping 3 cylinders spark have someone test that
Ok how do I test that don't see that in the book? That would cause the problem I'm having for her to plain off than drop to 3k rpms and stay there ?
 

mobgod

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Ok I need to ask this question i talked to a tech at CDI today and this is what i was told, disconnect the two yellow wires from the refictier than run the boat if it's fine than i need a stator just want to hear from you guys if this is true way to see if that is my problem?
 

dehydrated

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Only one way to find out is to try it .Funny thing is when i have had problems i would read, read,read more and then try doing the diagnostics sometimes happy results sometimes not at first but i always solved them learning as i went.Chasing problems on the internet is hard for even the pros on here.Sometimes the best thing you can do is take it to a qualified shop and have it fixed right the money you pay might seem as if they ripped you off but how long will your boat be out of use before summer slips away.Or you could just keep putting in all new electronics till your problem goes away .
 

archcycle

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You said the carbs were cleaned recently, but does that mean after you worked on the tank? Could you have knocked something loose that ended up clogging or gumming a carb or two? It's worth another look.
 

mobgod

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Anyone have info on how to tune the carbs so I can have the guy check them again I'm going nuts with this. Or if anyone had any other test I can do for this like I said she will shoot out with np come off plain than drop to 3k rpms
 

dehydrated

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Did you replace fuel pumps?As far as the carbs pull all the jets spray with carb cleaner and blow dry with compressed air.What electronics Did you change out? Did someone mess with the max timing instead of the idle mixture screw? Sounds to me its dropping half of the cylinders at wide open put a timing light on it and run it see if its sparking on all cylinders when this bog happens might be quite a process but worth looking into. Must check each bank of cylinders.
 
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