OMC out drive stuck down.

[WSUDERMAN]

Re: OMC out drive stuck down.

I had a problem with my 800 tilt not wanting to move. It turned out to be the clutch cover. It was to tight against the clutch pack. I added a thick gasket(1/16th) to fix it. The way i found it was by loosening the cover a bit and it worked.<br /><br />Also, i had not done anything to the clutch pack just took the cover off to reseal it and when i put the cover back on this problem developed.

 

[Phantom17]

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Update:<br /><br />Got the motor, plugged it in, grounded to block, ran nice both ways. Installed it, hard bit*h of a time. Motor spun, but nothing at the gear, (I removed the tild quad gear so I could see if the round gear spun free without the weight of the drive). Motor spun but not the gear. I looked closer at at parts listing and it appears there are two "hammer blow" peices?!?!?! so....I removed the motor, added the hammer blow facing open end to open end with a key installed, re-installed motor (much easier this time) and back to what started this damn thread in the first place. Nothing but a click at the solenoid. I cleaned the connections at the switch on dash, the plastic wire connector near the flywheel, and the solenoid connections...........ideas?<br /><br />Also for those that saw my carb problem thread, it was a "welch plug" that belonged there. Installed one, re-installed choke, adjusted, smoke is gone, engine runs smoother than before. Thanks for those that helped.

 

[Phantom17]

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This developed pre cover removal. I only removed the cover to enable lifting and lowering the tilt manually. I'm at a loss why this motor works without a load on it, and clicks when there is a load. methinks mepuzzled............

 

[Phantom17]

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I'll have to try in the moorning, I can use a motorcycle strap to the tie down eyes to support the drive (thats how I got around removing the outdrive) and see. I actually didn't want to try that because I was worried it might restrict the down ward drive and snap something. <br /><br />Or, did you mean "will it spin the gear with the drive supported". I tried it after removing the tilt quadrant gear, drive supported and unattached and no it didn't go. Just a click...... Thanks Keith

 

[KaGee]

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Will it spin the gear with the drive supported?

 

[Phantom17]

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I got the tilt motor on ebay. When I got it in the mail last week, I grounded it to the engine block and plugged in the connector. The motor worked smooth both ways, hence not electrical. It's something with the weight (load) being on the system. BTW, good morning, and thanks for your help on this Keith.

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by jh19:<br /> Or, did you mean "will it spin the gear with the drive supported". I tried it after removing the tilt quadrant gear, drive supported and unattached and no it didn't go. Just a click......

Two things...<br />1)The worm gear shaft is binding.<br /><br />2) Electrical problem.<br /><br />Did you ever try jumping the tilt motor directly to the battery??

 

[Phantom17]

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OK, I had a spare worm gear, installed it. The motor spun just the worm gear and brass clutch gear. I added the clutch and it now spins that, coupled with the gear. I then added the weight of the drive and it would not spin without assistance. I assume that thats because I have not wound up the round gear 4x, because I don't have the tool and torque wrench. Any suggestions for that one? I might just take it by a dealer and see if they'll spin it for me, unless anyone has another idea. I am actually surised he old worm gear caused this. It is smooth, free of burrs but slightly discolored. I did notice a difference in removing the old one, and installing the new one. New one slid right in. -Jeff

 

[KaGee]

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Jeff,<br /><br />I understand that you hooked the motor up to the harness and tested prior to install. That's not my question.<br /><br />Have you tried connecting the motor directly to the battery... with the motor in place?<br /><br />I am not yet ready to believe the electrics are OK. A bad connection or solenoid can prevent enough current necessary to lift the drive.<br /><br />

I assume that thats because I have not wound up the round gear 4x, because I don't have the tool and torque wrench. Any suggestions for that one?

If the clutch pack was improperly torqued, the drive would not stay up, the motor would spin, and nothing happen.<br /><br />Here's one more stupid thought... have you tried charging the battery lately, or even exchanging it with another?

 

[Phantom17]

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No I have not tried a direct connect to the battery. The battery starts the boat just fine, and, I removed the round gear with the drive all the way down, engine running and still no turn. I also tried it with my jump starter on the battery too. I loosened the worm gear bolts, and it spun a tiny bit, loosened the clutch cover, turned a little bit again. I'm actually thinking electrical now too. Almost like something is hanging it up because theres not enough juice to spin it properly. <br /><br />To direct wire, I should NOT have the outdrive connected, correct? Dont want it shooting up fast and out of control. I will use the tilt motors existing ground, and run a strainght wire to the green, then blu wire to see if it runs, and get back to you. Thanks for your patience Kieth.

 

[KaGee]

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One last thing electrically... would require a volt meter, and clips that pierce the insulation.<br /><br />With the motor installed and the drive engaged.<br /><br />Attach the voltmeter to the harness... ground to the ground wire... not to the block and the positive to one of the other wires... i forget which one is for "up" or for "down", and test while watching the voltmeter. <br /><br />You should see 10-12 volts while the motor is engaged. Anything less and it's definetly electrical in nature. <br /><br />If this test passes, then your problem is mechanical in nature. Something is binding.<br />And it should not be that difficult to see where it is. Something should look worn.<br /><br />Here's a breakdown... but you never did say what year you had there. http://www.dougrussell.com/partscatalog/volvo_omc/index.cfm?fuseaction=comp&group=3367&GroupList=3357,3358,3359,3360,3361,3362,3363,3364,3365,3366,3367,3368,3369,3370,3371,3372,337 3,3374

 

[Phantom17]

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OK, direct wire, (motor grounded to engine block) got an occasional spark and slight "starting" noise from tilt motor then nothing. Next?

 

[Bondo]

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It Could also be a Bad Ground.....<br /><br />" (motor grounded to engine block) "<br /><br />That's No Guarantee............

 

[Phantom17]

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Actually there is a common ground there that several things are grounded to, but non-the-less, I'll clean it up. What gets me is that it works fine without the weight of the outdrive.

 

[Phantom17]

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....the ground is on a plate that the solenoids are mounted to.

 

[Phantom17]

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1981 120hp 2.5, 400 od on a Cobia 16 ft bowrider. I'll have to get a voltmeter, don't have, am sure I'll use it more than oh, say a dozen times.....

 

[Phantom17]

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Bondo, clarify this for me. If the motor works without the weight of the outdrive, or the "snugness of the clutch and worm gear covers, what am I looking for by strait wiring to the battery? I'm not sure I follow this. Sorry.

 

[Bondo]

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Get a set of Jumper Cables,+ Ground the Pump Motor Body to the (-) Negative post on the Battery,..........<br /><br />Then you'll KNOW that there's a Strong Ground...... For Testing purposes anyway......

 

[Don S]

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I don't know squat about those drives and hope never to have to learn. But any time you have to go through all that to hopefully make something work, then there is something WAY WRONG.<br />It's time to quit trying to do the job half way and find out whats binding and causing the problem. Bandaid fixes may get you working for the weekend, but not in the long run.<br />Mechanical things do not heal.

 

[fendersfender]

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I had same problem with mine...sometimes it worked, sometimes not. I replaced the motor and i have absolutely no problems now........afterwards, i disassembled the old motor and found alot of corrosion, from moisture no doubt, but how??? beats me