OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

[DJ]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

I prefer OMC engine tune, for really gummed up units. But, I get lazy and buy Sea Foam. Both have worked wonders, for years, for me.<br /><br />Sea Foam is part of my outboard's (many) general fuel diet. I don't have outboard problems, because of it. And, I have MANY I look after.<br /><br />That includes PWC's and a big block EFI, I/O.

 

[llfish]

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Ben, I you don't like what you see or read don't use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a pretty easy solution.

 

[Bwalker]

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Believe me I dont use it.

 

[cpj]

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I use seafoam and like it.Of course(hear we go)a old mechanics trick is to drizzle a small amount of water into the carbs of a warm engine to knock the carbon loose.I have tried it on an old piece of crap lawn mower and it did knock a fair amount of junk out of it.Now I havent seen the msds for water, but Im sure it doesnt have any sort of decarbing type chemicals in it either. <br />P.S. placebo effect? You mean like everyone using Amsoil?(relax, there is already a topic on that)

 

[songdog]

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When I first heard of this sea-foam product I was skeptical as weel. I would reccomend to any skeptics take this simple test: Find an old spark plug, dirty with carbon and combustion volatiles, spray some deep creep in the effective area and wait 5 minutes. Then apply a small amount of compresed air. <br /><br />I performed this simple test and now, with my own eyes, I convinced sea-foam products work most of the carbon was disolved off what ever was left was removed with the air. In my test I used a can of "keyboard duster" compressed air.

 

[qapd]

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Ben,<br /><br />Try one can. If you don't like it don't use it anymore. If you believe it helps try it in another.<br />I bought a '97 150hp Johnson. Never had a wrench put on it. Idled rough with poor acceleration. Compression readings taken cold and after warmed up. After treatment with Seafoam idle smoothed out performance improved and compression improved both warm and cold engine compression.<br />I pay about $13.00 per can. For my money I run Seafoam in my tank for the last 2 years. No problem so far.<br />Like Larry F stated if you don't like it don't use it. People were just expressing their opinion along with you.

 

[dajohnson53]

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Regardless of what the can says about de-carbing, and the popular opinion - I also wonder how a product can be both a fogger and a de-carber. I'm no chemist, nor am claiming to be an expert. But this doesn't make "intuitive" sense to me. I would think a de-carbing agent would be some sort of solvent, while my understanding of fogging oil is that it is not only a lubricant, but one designed to cling to surfaces more than normal 2 stroke oil. Having said that, I also understand that oil itself is a solvent - a little clean oil does a good job of cleaning hard core grime from black greasy hands, and then it's just a matter of washing the clean oil off. Just thinking out loud, mostly just curious and a little skeptical about the product, like Ben.<br /><br />By the way, I've used Seafoam to decarb both with the "tank" method and using spray Deep Creep. Yes, it smokes a lot. But so does fogging oil. I have no way of knowing if it actually cleans up carbon deposits.<br /><br />There's no problem with suggesting "if you don't like it don't use it", but I think the questions are valid. We should be skeptical about product claims and ask for clear proof they work, not just testimonials.

 

[Bwalker]

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I think D. put what I was thinking in much better words than I.

 

[DJ]

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When y'all get the "proof" that you require, let us know.<br /><br />I'll keep blindly using, for years, what I know to work.<br /><br />As said, water shouldn't work either, but it does.

 

[LubeDude]

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Well Ben, here we are again. <br /><br />Seafoam works, I have to admit to being sceptical about it also, but after trying it, I have found it to do as described. Dont know about what you say it has in it, but it sure does soften carbon. I do like to let it soak at least overnight though, I see very little carbon removal with just five minutes.<br /><br />Kinda like Marvel mystery oil, dont know why it works, but it does. (Sorta, on some things).<br /><br /> When you mix with the gas, do you mix at 100:1. <br /><br />Does this thread have 200 post posability?

 

[Pony]

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Ben,<br />I agreed with most if not all of your points in the oil post...but i can't do it this time.<br /><br />Regardless of what is in it, I simply cannot deny the results I have gotten or othes here have gotten for that matter. Note this is vastly different from the oil post in that a 100:1 mixture "has potential to cause increased engine wear", but i doubt using seafoam has that sort of problem. I have only used it on two outboards, but they are the only two i have ever owned. Now with one of them the motor barely ran because the carbs were so badly gummed. I took it to the late twice never getting it more than 20 feet from the dock.....I put some seafoam in it and i ran that motor around the lake all day long. No other factors ie the plugs were the same, and the gas was as well with the addition of sea foam only. Now the one I currently own had a rough idle and again the only addition to the set-up was seafoam, and now it runs like a top.<br /><br />I dont have any tools here to measure increase in compression or whatnot, but i cant deny my own personal results or the results of so many others.

 

[roscoe]

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If it is harmless snake oil, pour a can in the crankcase of your car, and another in the trans. <br /><br />Seafoam contains 3 ingredients. One is a solvent, one is a lubricant, and one is a drying agent/moisture remover.<br />As the solvent and drying agent penetrate into the crevices, they carry the lubricant with them. As they evaporate off, they leave the lubricant, so it likely will work well as a fogging oil.<br /><br />I still don't understand your logic. Seafoam is discredited solely because you have read the ingredients and don't like them. Other products are given your blessing even though you have not read their ingredients.<br /><br />??

 

[Bwalker]

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"Seafoam is discredited solely because you have read the ingredients and don't like them. "<br /> Its not that I dislike the ingrediants or the product. Its the fact that I dont see any of the ingrediants lending themselves to carbon rmeoval.<br /><br />If I ever run into a engine again that needs a decarb I will tear it down and take before and after pictures.

 

[roscoe]

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Decarb in a preventative maintenance procedure recommended by the manufacturers, intended to clean before carbon deposits become a problem that destroys the engine via snapped rings or a runaway, etc.

 

[Scali]

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The "solvent " is the ingredient that removes carbon, smell the stuff, it's a strong solvent !

 

[Bwalker]

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Gasoline is a strong solvent also....<br /><br />"intended to clean before carbon deposits become a problem that destroys the engine via snapped rings or a runaway, etc."<br />The ingrediants in Sea foam like pale oil and Kerosene will actually contribute to carbon deposits when ran througha two stroke.

 

[Pony]

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So once again what ingredients are in your products of choice?? What do they do thats so special?? How are they different from Seafoam??<br /><br />Sorry just trying to get some info because like i said i simply cant believe that Seafoam doesnt do anything special.

 

[djzyla1980]

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I have only seen the stuff at the auto parts store.... and kinda chuckled to myself as I read the can. Signed up on this forums and thought I'd give it a try. For $6 a can if it works great. I love the stuff now. I've used it in any motor I have had since that use in my outboard. I don't know how it works but it does wonders on these things. I'm going to throw some in a 75' Chevy truck I picked up for $200. <br /><br />I've heard the results/seen the results myself and disagree with anyone that states differently. If it didn't work it would not be around as long as it has.

 

[Bwalker]

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Pony, i dont have product of choice. I have said before that I have only had to decarb one motor and it was ran on 30 wt. I have no carbon buildup issues on any of the 30+ motors I run.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br />I have no carbon buildup issues on any of the 30+ motors I run.

This could be very true. You dont run the cheapest oil on the planet either, even though I know you have to keep your operating expences down as much as you can.<br /><br />Personally I think that much of the gooy stuff people see when using it is residual carbon and oil being washed down the exhause. It really does work though to a great degree. I used it in my Ranger 4 liter because it was spark knocking something terrable. I sucked a can though the vacume port for the power brakes and let it sit over night. Next day on the way to work, I ran the cr*p out of it and on the way home that night the pinging was gone. Might have done the same thing with ATF, Marvel mystery oil, or just a can of oil. Who knows!