OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

[cpj]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

Lets make this go on for four pages!Quick,someone call somebody stupid.Then someone say that they are stupid back.Then have someone that has an uncle who has a cousin who has a brother who has a father in law on his mothers side who was a mechanic for nasa then went to work for evinrude and they think that sea foam is no good,but if you mix Amsoil with WD40 (at 100:1 cause its safe for most motors ) and you start the motor and remove one spark plug at a time,and squirt the Amsoil WD40 mix into the sparkplug hole while it is running that it will do a fine job of decarbing!

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> BTW guys from some of the comments you guys make it seems to me that you believe I run some high quality oil in my fishing lodges outboards. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I use Esso outboard semi synthetic, because it is cheap.

Even though it may be cheap for you doesnt make it a "Cheap Quality oil". Id rank it right in there with the Pennzoil semi synthetic. What I would like to see would be what things looked like if you were using the SuperTech from Walmart.<br /><br />You are very much right about the carbon being mostly the fuel. Its actually quite rare to have a bunch of carbon in any 2 stroke, because of the oil mix keeping the carbon softened up. My beleif is that cheaper oils may not have the dispersants necesary to keep things really clean in the long run. Carbon on the top of the piston does nothing but raise the compresion, what you dont want is carbon to get around and under the rings. Seafoam takes care of this problem very well. IMHO.<br /><br />Scepisism is one thing, but to have blinders on when everyone that uses Seafoam or Deep Creep has had great results with it makes me wonder just who is doing the trolling here.

 

[mrloring]

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ok cbj you are stupid LOL <br /><br />I used Seafoam for the first time this spring, it smoothed out my idle and plan to use it in the outboard I just bought(1969 33HP Evinrude).<br /><br />I also use windex to clean some of my guns and vinegar to kill weeds. Why, because it works and thats all that matters.

 

[roscoe]

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I just called someone stupid, but he didn't answer the phone.<br />I did have an uncle that worked for NASA, on the early Apollo projects as an engineer. Then went on to be an engineer for HP. Retired a multi multi millionaire a few years ago. But he can't figure out how to launch his own boat, or turn on the hot tub jets. <br /><br />It shouldn't really be called decarbing.<br />I suggest "Combustion Residue Buildup Prevention".<br /><br />I use brake fluid to dry clean ink spots from my clothes, because it works.

 

[Bwalker]

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"what things looked like if you were using the SuperTech from Walmart."<br />SuperTech up here is made by Petro Canada. If I could pay the stuff in large enough quantities i would try it provided it was cheaper than what i ran now.<br /><br />"Scepisism is one thing, but to have blinders on when everyone that uses Seafoam or Deep Creep has had great results with it makes me wonder just who is doing the trolling here."<br /><br />I dont see calims of "smoother idle" and the ilk conclusive proof that the stuff works. As I have said before people made all sorts of claims after using slick 50 and the like and we all know now what that stuff is...Snake oil..<br />I doesnt help my sceptisism when the ingrediants of Sea Foam is a light oil and some Naptha, which is a less aggressive solvent than gasoline. Like I said earlier I will take before and after pictures next time I run into a carboned up motor.

 

[Bwalker]

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Can we post pictures on this site? I got a Merc that just blew a gasket, so I can provide some photos of what the ring belt and the port look like after 4 years of commercial use with out a decarb.

 

[DJ]

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As I mentioned in an earlier post, water shouldn't work as a decarb agent either, but it does. So, let's all throw some water in out tanks-NOT! <br /><br />The problem with water and ouitboards is those pesky little things called needle bearings. They do not like water. Nor do cylinder walls.<br /><br />Sea Foam does a couple things. One it stabilizes fuel. Thus the high ends of the gasolione do not evaporate as quickly thus slowing down gum deposits. Two, it seems to cut carbon.<br /><br />I can only speak from experience. It has served me well.<br /><br />Note: I've also used Sta Bil as a fuel conditioner/preserver with good results. However, the Sta Bill does not seem to have any carbon cutting capabilities.

 

[willamettejeff]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> Note: I've also used Sta Bil as a fuel conditioner/preserver with good results. However, the Sta Bill does not seem to have any carbon cutting capabilities.

I don't know what your talking about DJ. I've used Stabil for years to decarb my motor and it does a great job. Much better than SeaFoam or those other products. <br /><br />Just kidding. Seems to me this thread has been smelling of dead horse for a while now. BTW, I just started using SeaFoam based on your comments and those of others. So if my engine blows up now, it is all you fault.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> As I mentioned in an earlier post, water shouldn't work as a decarb agent either, but it does. So, let's all throw some water in our tanks-NOT! <br /><br />

Pouring water into an old carburator equipped car truck or inboard boat engine actually works very well at removing carbon, and has no ill effects whatsoever. It will not remove carbon from around the ring area though. Its actually a steam cleaning effect. However, you cant do it with an outboard due to the fuel and air from the carb goes through the crankcase.

 

[timmathis]

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> Can we post pictures on this site? I got a Merc that just blew a gasket, so I can provide some photos of what the ring belt and the port look like after 4 years of commercial use with out a decarb.

I'm out of here too. Before I go I would like to point this out. Your 4 years of commercial use <br />equals 1 year or less, Your in the UP.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

I live in the UP in the off season only. Th lodge is actually located in NW Ontario. Check the website.<br /><br />a few years on a motor up here is more than most people put on one in a decade. Very few people put more than 100 hours per year on one and if I remember right the average is aorund 30 hours.

 

[Bwalker]

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BTW Tim, What did you think of the link I posted? Not bad for 32:1, eh?

 

[BillP]

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />qb]

Carbon on the top of the piston does nothing but raise the compresion, what you dont want is carbon to get around and under the rings. Seafoam takes care of this problem very well. IMHO. <br /> [/QB][/quote]<br /><br />LD, where did you come by that info? Heavy build up (call it whatever you want) on the top of piston crowns can cause major damage. It results in hot spots that burn small holes in the crown and compression goes zip. It happened to me on a 140 Johnson at 1000 hrs. The rings were still doing their job fine. It was caused by running without a t'stat and the cold running let crud build up on the crowns. I learned a major lesson on this engine...use a t'stat or decarbon often.<br /><br />I think Walleye Kenny posted that he worked on motors with a steady diet of SeaFoam and carb seals going bad were a common denominator.

 

[cpj]

Re: OMC Engine Tuner vs. Deep Creep

mrloring,<br />No, YOU are stupid. (see how easy it is?)

 

[Pony]

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BillP or anyone....can you post a link to where kenny said that. I for one would like to see the context that it was said in. was it one motor or many, and is it proven that Seafoam was the culprit....

 

[BillP]

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I'm not bashing Seafoam so nobody get their panties up a crack about postings that put different opinions on the table. I have no idea where his message is. Post a note to him and I'm sure he will pop up with the info. It wasn't a scientific test that proved anything. But a boat mechanic usually has a better handle on motor stuff than most. <br /><br />If I remember correctly he worked on several different motors that had odd problems with seals going bad. The only common denominator was owners using Seafoam in every tank. Maybe they were using ethanol too.<br /><br />I suppose anyone could do their own empiracle test by soaking gaskets in Seafoam. It might not hurt for OMC owners to check and see if their carb bodies are the ones OMC says not to soak in a cleaner though.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by BillP:<br /> <br />LD, where did you come by that info?

I guess I shouldnt have said, "The only thing".<br /><br />Probably what caused your problem was that due to the extra compression from all the carbon, the octane of the fuel was not adaquate which caused predetination which will cause heat and burned a hole in a piston.