Ohio to vote on being Smoker Free

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Ohio to vote on being Smoker Free

What everyone seems to be missing here, is that Washington's ban was a voter initiative.....Not a government instituted policy......This is a case of 'majority rule'.....If a majority had voted against it, it wouldn't have gone through.....Plain & simple......I must admit that I enjoy watching people trudge out in all kinds of weather to smoke Just like the good old days when you had to go outside to burn a "fatty" I'm glad I quit....It is a vile habit.......JK

 

[BoatBuoy]

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Seems like Tom Jefferson said something to the effect that the will of the majority may not infringe on the rights of the minority. Now where do we draw the line?

 

[Pony]

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True.......but Thomas Jefferson also said that America should be an Agrarian society, and saw Industry and Banks as an evil....<br /><br /><br />If there is a way for everyone to keep their rights in this matter I am all for it, but seems to me a compromise is the only solution.<br /><br />I'm not saying smokers are bad, lets get that straight. Its when their choice affects my health that I see it as wrong.

 

[Mark42]

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The thing that really bothered me after I quit smoking was that I hadn't done it sooner.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Your rights are slowly being legislated out of existence......Maybe GWB has an answer as to where we draw the line.....Oops! I forgot, he's above the law! ....JK

 

[Haut Medoc]

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O.K. Mark42.....What part of N.J?....Colt's Neck?......JK

 

[ZmOz]

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There's a restaurant here where smoking is banned that is now requiring you to become a lifetime member of their "club" before you can enter...thus making it no longer public, and smoking legal. The lifetime membership costs $1.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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People you must remember this. While driving down the highway, not only the exhaust from vehicles, but tire dust, brake dust, road dirt, and salt. Now how good is that for you. How much testing has been done on that. I clean large airconditioner coils for our stores. The stores next to major interstates has more dirt in the coils than ones in rural areas. The stuff that I flush out of them is black, gritty, and slimey when wet. Up there on the roofs, there is no cigarette smoke.<br /><br />As I mentioned earlier, the World Health Organization had announced that second hand smoke is not dangerous. If it was, millions of us baby boomers and younger would be dead because of our parents. <br /><br />I will eventually quit, but I would like for it to be on my own terms. Not forced to. If so, then what is next?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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You will have to wear a seat-belt! Just funnin'.....I hear ya S.S. Where will it end?.....JK EDIT: "Z", somehow they addressed that in Wa. law & ya can't do that......JK

 

[bubbakat]

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I want each and every one that has made a statement that smoking causes cancer and someone dies from it to show me one example where a death certificate stated the cause of death was cancer caused from smoking.<br />I will bet money you won't find one.<br />And yes I have had cancer deaths in my family and none of the ones that died smoked.

 

[JRJ]

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S.S. I don't care if you smoke. I think the smoke stinks. I like to eat and drink and visit without smelling stinking smoke. Smokers are on the decline Smokeless hotel rooms go first even in Nevada. My Mom and Dad would have lived longer had they not smoked. Smoke 'em if you got 'em and enjoy to the end, just not around me. What do you think about when you see an "old" smoker on oxygen? Make you want to light up? I look at them and think but for the grace of God.

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by bubbakat:<br /> I want each and every one that has made a statement that smoking causes cancer and someone dies from it to show me one example where a death certificate stated the cause of death was cancer caused from smoking.<br />I will bet money you won't find one.<br />And yes I have had cancer deaths in my family and none of the ones that died smoked.

So let me get this straight...you think smoking doesn't cause cancer? No death certificate that gives cancer as the cause of death lists the cause of that cancer. (just like when a 400lb man dies of a heart attack cheeseburgers aren't listed as the cause of death)

 

[JRJ]

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Smoking doesn't kill you, dieing does. Super size that Marlboro please I don't want this to take long, I like to share that wakeup cough with the grandkids I love these wrinkels, the yellow teeth and fingers. How 'bout that stained mustach? Lack of air is handy in the bedroom.....out of the mood anyway. Think I'll go have a smoke, hang onto my tank, cause it might blow if its too close to my Zippo.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> <br />Does Carrie Nation come to mind?

IMUHO, JB hit the nail on the head.<br /><br />The State of Washington just inacted similar legislation. You talk about an oxymoron, business has now doubled, in establishments across the border, in the Peoples Republic of Oregon.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Originally posted by JRJ:<br /> What do you think about when you see an "old" smoker on oxygen? Make you want to light up? <br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><br />Yes Sir, I was the last one of the family to say goodbye to my mother. So yes I do know first hand how it is to have a loved one die from it. She had smoked for over 50 years smoking "ONLY" non-filtered cigs. My father that smoked as much if not more than my mother, he died of toxic paint fumes. He was 12 years older than my mom and died 12 years before her. I'm not mad at her or him for their so called abuse of tabacco products. It was their choice to live their lives the way they saw fit. What good is it to live if you can't live life the way you want to?<br /><br />If one goes through life not taking risks, they won't get to do much. <br /><br />Don't drive a car because you might have an accident.<br /><br />Don't ride a horse or you might fall off and break your neck.<br /><br />Don't fly in an airplane or it might crash.<br /><br />Don't eat any mushrooms because there might be a poisnious one that will kill you.<br /><br />Don't join the military because you might get killed in a war.<br /><br />Don't use dangerous tools because it might kill you.<br /><br />Don't eat fast food or you will get fat and die.<br /><br />Don't eat greasy foods or it will clog your arteries and cause you to die.<br /><br />Don't go boating because of all the hidden dangers that can happen that will cause you to drown.<br /><br />Don't take a walk in the neighborhood or you might get shot.<br /><br />Don't let people hunt because you might get shot.<br /><br />Don't drink any alcohol because it might cause you to have liver failure.<br /><br />Don't swim in the ocean because a shark might kill you.<br /><br />Don't be on your computer during an electrical storm because the lightning might kill you.<br /><br />Yeah, there are lots of things that people do that can kill them. But it is our freedom that allows us to live life the way we want to.<br /><br />I just hate it when people try to save me from myself without thinking about their own life. This is not a perfect world and it will never be. I am an American and I don't want to be treated like a dog on a chain.<br /><br />Alcohol kills way more innocent victims than smoking ever has. Have we tried banning it lately?<br /><br />FWIW, my wife and I are going to get help on quitting. We are going to do it for each other, not because it is forced down our throats by others.<br /><br />Peace and have a Happy successful New Year! Now to sit back and watch what this surposed to be blue state that turned red does next.

 

[JRJ]

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Good luck to you and your wife on quitting, it will be worth it and Happy New Year.

 

[18rabbit]

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I’m not sure what the anti-smoking law is in San Francisco. People that live there and smoke don’t know, either. Something like you can’t smoke in outdoor public places, except you can smoke on the sidewalk, except you can’t smoke when there is a bus stop on the sidewalk, except you can smoke if the bus stop on the sidewalk doesn’t have a rain cover on it, except ...<br /><br />.Pony. – Jefferson was a capitalist pig that didn’t care about industry, not there was any real industry to care about, that revolution wouldn’t start for another 100 years, hence his reference to agriculture. But he was 100% dead on the nuts correct about the tyranny of banks.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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And don't mess with BB guns. You might shoot your eye out.

 

[Pony]

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Originally posted by SS Mayfloat:<br /> People you must remember this. While driving down the highway, not only the exhaust from vehicles, but tire dust, brake dust, road dirt, and salt. Now how good is that for you................<br /><br />As I mentioned earlier, the World Health Organization had announced that second hand smoke is not dangerous. If it was, millions of us baby boomers and younger would be dead because of our parents. <br />

Second hand smoke is NOT Dangerous????? You are kidding right. In the hundreds or thousands of posts I have read on this forum, that is by FAR the dumbest most asinine thing I have ever forced myself to read.........Seriously we are all dumber for having read that. If you dont think millions of baby boomers aren't dying early, then you are just living inside some kind of bubble. No one ever said that second hand smoke would instantly kill you, but it does make for health complications.....<br /><br />My dad is 48, its not like he is in his 70's or anything. And for all you who keep insisting that second hand smoke isnt dangerouse or that smoking/ secong hand smoke has never been on a death certificate, you are just in denial, or or attempting to justify your own smoking habit with that sort of lame argument. We asked his doctors what causes the type of cancer he has......the answer "smoking.....its a smokers cancer" My grandma smoked in all the years my dad lived at home, as did many other relatives. He on the other hand HAS NEVER lit so much as held a cigarette in his fingers. Even the doctors told us they are seeing increasing numbers of non smokers with smokers cancers. I'm sorry if you can't accept that evidence. SS you may have come to terms and accepted deaths of loved ones, but when i see people lighting up in a CLOSED environment like a restaurant...all I see in my mind is my dad weakened by 8 weeks of radiation and 50lbs lighter unable to eat or drink anything.<br /><br />Your argument about road dirt and dust and stuff is also inherintly weak, and once again i will chalk it up to a smoker trying to justify a habit that affects more than just him. Its a much more open space on the highway....the amound of crap in the air is at a much less concentrated level.....plus most of us are in cars and arent breathing in that much of it......nor are the toxin levels the same......apples to oranges.<br /><br />If you have come to terms that you all are willing to risk your health for the pleasure of smoking, thts fine, its your choice. I have said it before though............when it affects those who choose not to do it, I find it wrong. I dont have the right to make anyone not smoke, but likewise a smoker doesnt have the right to hurt my well being.<br /><br /><br />BTW- the Thomas Jefferson reference was just meant to show that he was a man of contradiction.

 

[Mark42]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> O.K. Mark42.....What part of N.J?....Colt's Neck?......JK

Warren County. My paranoia won't let me get any more specific than that. <br /><br />BTW, I don't think they shot enough bears during the bear hunt. (hint, hint)