Nitrogen in tires

Tim Frank

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

I still do what I do...and am not harming anybody or my equipment. I've spent my money on other stupid things that nobody else would either. I have no regrets...Good day!

I'll bet I've spent money on a few of the stupid things that you have....not this one, maybe....but I have a few dandies that I bet cross-over....:eek:;)

My wife calls it "selective and elective stupidity".
I call it "my business". :D
 

j_martin

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

For a tire to perform well, it needs to be inflated to the point where the PSI will support the vehicle weight for the tire patch on the ground (aka its footprint). If you measure the square inches of tire patch, multiply it by the recommended PSI, you will find its nearly the same as the weight one wheel will support on the car. That is basically where the tire pressure on the door jamb comes from. Its about the same for any brand tire in the same size. Running the tire at its max pressure is a good way of wearing out the center of the tire before the edge, when the door jamb pressure is much less than the tires max pressure. Of course, all cars and tires are different, so a little experimentation is needed.

To add to the confusion, Ford Exploder door jamb pressures were considerably lower than reasonable, probably leading to a bunch of fatal loss of control accidents, all blamed on the tires of course. :rolleyes:
 

dan t.

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

How to find ideal inflation pressure. This is an old 4 wheeler trick , when putting on oversized tires. Start with the tires pumped up hard ,at least 50 lb. Drive on dry pavement, you will see a darker band around the middle of the tire, lower the pressure 5 lb at a time until the dark band is across the whole face of the tread. this is the correct pressure for hiway driving. BTW you will always find that it takes more pressure in the front as the front of a truck is heaver than the rear
 

perchin

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

Please....stop getting the facts out there.... people like them pay the bills for my cousin's tire shop:D;) Its hard to make money on the tires alone don't you know!!:p <-- true BTW
 

jbjennings

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Take notice.. If Sasto ever puts his boat up for sale, we'll know to check it out. If he's as meticulous about his boat maintenance as he is about his tire pressure, it oughta be in good shape!:p;)
Sorry, couldn't resist, Sasto.:D I thank heaven that my chevy doesn't have that tire pressure thingy on the dash or I'd have something extra to keep an eye on, too. I'll probably have a wreck one day while trying to watch my oil pressure and temp. gauges.
JBJ
 

sasto

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If he's as meticulous about his boat maintenance as he is about his tire pressure, it oughta be in good shape!:p;)

JBJ

Well, I got my wheel back from the prop shop....for an extra $35 they filled it with nitrogen..which they told me would maintain the diameter and pitch thru it's lifetime. :cool:
 

generator12

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

I've been following this thread with interest since it was initiated. I'm always interested in learning what others know about vehicles, control systems, and machinery in general.

I've resisted bringing up the Ideal Gas Law because I wanted to see/read the observations of the forum posters rather than telling anyone what is or isn't possible according to physics theory. But now the cat is out of the bag, set loose by Bruce.

The Ideal Gas Law states that an increase in temperature (Kelvin), with volume held constant, will result in a proportionate increase in pressure. It applies to all gases equally - well, almost equally. The differences in response among gases is measured in thousandths of a percent - low enough to be considered insignificant for most purposes.

Therefore, dry air will have essentially the same contraction/expansion characteristics as dry nitrogen with varying temperature.

Secondly, air is about 78 percent nitrogen. (With 21 percent oxygen and 1 percent trace gases - CO2, argon, and the like) It's difficult for me to see how an air molecule can be smaller than a nitrogen atom and escape through the tire wall more easily.

HOWEVER -- the respondents to this thread have noted the use of nitrogen in aircraft tires and in other critical applications. I'm sure this is not done lightly - that there is a good reason for this.

I just don't think I've heard it yet.
 

bowman316

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

put helium in them and your truck will float!
 

bruceb58

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HOWEVER -- the respondents to this thread have noted the use of nitrogen in aircraft tires and in other critical applications. I'm sure this is not done lightly - that there is a good reason for this.
Main reasons is so that the gas in the tire does not support combustion and also so the air is perfectly dry so that no ice will form from any water vapor that may be introduced into the tire. Obviously, neither is a concern for automotive tires.
 

ThePartsMan

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

Does your tire man(or car maker) vacuum out the air and water vapor before he pumps in "pure" nitrogen?
 

Brewman61

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Re: Nitrogen in tires

"Does he use an Oreck or the prefered Dyson with the neodymium magnet and cyclone technology?"


I don't know, but the guy at the tire shop speaks with a heavy Europen accent so he must know what he's talking about.
I think our local Nitrogen pimps "purge" the stale tire air before filling with the N2. Or so it says on the helpful poster they have in the customer lounge which lists all the advantages of N2.
 
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