New Starcraft Islander?and I have general boat questions!

Watermann

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I sure hope he's the kind of guy who accepts the challenge and isn't scared off by all the negativity. I'd love to see that Islander brought back to life again.
 

proshadetree

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The omc stringer isnt that bad of a drive. Yea it is obsolete but still tons of them around. Guy up on Dale Hollow has used one for the past sevral years with absolutely no issues. His service is check the fluids and go, not like he works on it much. Now if i was goung to do a full gut and build why not swap it. Rotten boats with good drives are all over the place. Even if you have never touched a boat before you can learn, everyone here had to at one time or another. Many boats that are used yearly are not perfect. Make sure it is safe and reliable first. I rebuilt mine with the original Cobra and I had 2 Merc Alpha ones on at my disposal. They lasted this long why not just use it.
 

jasoutside

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I'd love to see that Islander brought back to life again.

An old rotten nasty Islander with a Stringer drive brought back to float again you say?

It can be done!:thumb:

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You'll just need some skill, some money, some iboats and the guts to do it.
 

Tnstratofam

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I sure hope he's the kind of guy who accepts the challenge and isn't scared off by all the negativity. I'd love to see that Islander brought back to life again.



Yeah I think she deserves a rebuild too.

To the OP most of us here are not professionals at boat building or restoration. We've all had to learn through trial and error what can be done, shouldn't be done, and amazingly what seems impossible actually is done. There are a good group of men and women here both amateur and professional who will help you if you tackle this project no matter how much work you decide to put into her.

You should check out these two threads to get an idea of how far some people have come to bring worthy crafts back to life.

http://forums.iboats.com/forum/boat...estoration-forum-2016-splash-of-the-year-poll

And especially this one.

http://forums.iboats.com/forum/owne...tarcraft-splash-of-the-year-award-voting-poll

Oh and Jas has done an incredible job on his Islander conversion. To say it is EPIC is an understatement!
 

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redneck joe (put this one first because it seems the most relevant):
boating experience is... I would say on the lower end of intermediate. I have been around boats for my whole life and have owned probably 10 over the last 20 years, but most of them have been 10-15 feet and used on a flat, easy-to-navigate river for fishing and stuff. I've had a few larger, my current boat before this one is an 18 footer that I take into the ocean sometimes on really, really calm days and never too far out. I say the lower end of intermediate because a) I don't trust myself in large swells or dangerous conditions, and b) because, while I am comfortable in my boats for the most part, I've never owned anything but outboard powered boats. I've only had one with a steering wheel EVER and my boats mostly haven't had batteries or electronics. They're pure fishing boats: hop in, outboard, maybe a small battery for a fish finder, external gas tank, bench seats. This is my first I/O boat, and my first with real electronics, etc.

Mechanically, I'm not too worried. I restore motorcycles as a hobby (have done probably 50+ over the last 25 years) and can rebuild engines in my sleep (although I will say: haven't done a ton of outboards, but the ones I've rebuilt weren't too bad at all, AND I'm much more comfortable with 2 strokes, although I have done my fair share of four strokes). I have most tools that exist and I'm comfortable using them for sure. I also did construction for 15 years or so, so I'm good with wood, and just generally good with my hands. That being said, there's a ton I don't know and I F-up a lot. I guess I'm trying to convey that I'm not a mechanical whiz or anything, but I feel confident that I can tear things down and put them back again... I'm comfortable fixing things, even if I don't know how to fix it, my instinct is to open it up and look and I can usually figure it out.

I can put 5 grand into the boat, for sure. maybe not now and all at once, but over time, that seems reasonable.

watermann: that's a good way to say what I was trying to convey above. wasn't trying to come off as cocky or like I know what I'm doing, because I don't really, but I was trying to say that I have done a lot of mechanical work in the past and have the tools for it, and I love building things. I bought this boat knowing it needs work, and I'm going to fix it up. But I also have a ton of questions along the way! I will start a resto thread, but for now, I just wanted to get general info about islanders and do the bare minimum to get her into the water and get a sense of what I'm dealing with. It runs, but how well? what electronics work and which ones don't? Are there leaks, and how bad? etc.

I will also look up these outdrives, thanks. When you say outboard pod, are you talking about converting this boat to outboard?

proshadetree: thanks for the info. I am definitely going to keep my eyes open for something because this one will die at some point! I think my transom seems good for now, so i might do a full gut other than the transom and then when this guy goes out finish the job with something else! Is there a more reliable (as in, parts availability) outdrive out there? people have mentioned mercruiser, is that a safe bet?

old ironmaker: we all need a soaked blanket sometimes. I don't know if I have the experience to build this boat, but I want to try! It's true that I don't know much about i/o boats but I'm a decent mechanic and good with tools. My questions are mostly coming from a place of, "i/os are brand new to me, and i've never dealt with all of these electronics before". It's like someone who has driven a car for a long time and had rebuilt cars and will be a perfectly fine motorcycle rider looking at a motorcycle and not knowing how to drive it. Someone has to tell them, "this lever is the brakes, this foot pedal is the gear shifter, this is the clutch, etc". They're just missing some knowledge, but once they have it explained to them, they'll pick it up fairly quickly because of their experience with cars. At least, I hope its like that. I feel like I might F some stuff up on this boat due to my inexperience, but I want to try and I just hope I can fix the things I F up!

Now, a question about your battery comment. I only see one set of terminals. So I'm guessing the starter and all of the electronics are on the same circuit, so I should basically set up to batteries, two more terminals, and run that into the selector, and then run whichever one is selected into the existing terminals? basically? thanks!

jasoutside: got my coffee, I'm reading! same comment as above: wet blankets are necessary sometimes. guess I'll be rebuilding and have my summer project figured out :)

southcogs: since ive never had an i/o boat before, I have to ask: when you say pull it, you're talking about pulling it off the boat.... but is there any chance this will ruin a hard-to-replace gasket or something? Are you suggesting I do this even if it appears to be working? also, any resources on parts I should be lookng at? ebay I guess... iboats... anywhere else? thanks

tnstratofam: yeah, thanks. running it until i find another setup seems like my plan for now. hopefully mercruiser. I will check out the starcraft section, thanks!

jbcurt00: gotcha, makes sense. If it gets to that point, is there an outdrive that easier to swap? without knowing that these holes look like, I assume it's easier to cut a larger hole than to fix and then have to cut a smaller hole? thanks!
 

jasoutside

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If you happen to find your way onto my Islander rebuild thread you'll notice that one of the first things I did was pull out the old OMC Stringer out and sell it. That was a super good move.

You'll also notice one of the first things I debated was to replace it with a Mercruiser driveline or go with an outboard on a bracket. I ended up going with a Mercruiser setup for many reasons but primarily due to budget. That was a mistake, also for many reasons. If I could hit the do over button I'd put an outboard on a bracket and love life.

Ah well, lesson learned, I won't make that mistake again.

Rockon.
 

Old Ironmaker

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OK, you have some good size orbs there. You go man and keep us updated. As for the batteries, yes you will have them both wired to the selector A usually is the cranking battery and B the deep cell for accessories.
 

proshadetree

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I/0 or O/B just a matter of opinion. I like the mercs , cheap, plentiful. Volvos are on many boats. If you decide to do a refit find a donor boat. Much easier that way. Steer clear of the 470 merc it was a real winner. But there are still a lot of them out there and being used. My biggest point is you dont have to have the norm or most current to have a good boat. The thing to remember the drive you have was the current drive in its time. I have already seen failed Bravo drives which is Mercs newest drive bit the dust while my old outdated OMC Cobra is still going.
 

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The issue with any of these I/O's isn't reliability. It's parts support. Don't want to see you dump a bunch of money and/or time into getting this one running only to end up with a broken gear or something that can't be found. The bigger issue with Stringers in particular is that they are not similar to other new OMC, Volvo or Mercruiser I/O's. They use a larger hole in the transom and I think different mounting for everything because I think the whole motor and drive tilt as one unit (could be wrong, I'm an outboard guy). Your best bet for replacement is a Volvo or Mercruiser with Chevy power. Again, I don't recommend Chevy because they're better or more reliable.....it's because they're the ones still making marine I/O motors and have the best parts support.

The good news is it doesn't sound like you're a rube who just picked up this old boat and was expecting to just put some gas in it an go. Sounds like you can handle taking on whatever it needs and now we've got informed on the options. Aluminum Starcrafts are great restore projects which is why we have so many going on here. The floor and the transom are separate so you can tackle the deck and other interior rot now and save the transom for later if it's still pretty good. That would not be the case for a fiberglass boat.

If you read jasoutside's thread you'll pretty much know everything there is know about your boat. Good luck!
 

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ha. yep. just noticed it is 423 pages! I may need more coffee.... :)

See ya next year, Frank. :tea: It's a long story with a great ending!

As EZ said, the biggest problem with Stringers is the lack of parts. If your motor and outdrive are working well, don't get ready to yank it out. Just plan for the eventual replacement if it comes to that.
 

oceanfrank

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thanks everyone! I will be starting a resto thread soon-ish, as soon as I get a handle on what I'm dealing with.

old ironmaker: thanks, we will see!

proshadetree: sorry if I misunderstood, but stay away from 470 merc? it's a winner?

ezmobee: yeah good point. I think my current engine is a chevy 140, so I got that going for me I guess.



Going through jasoutside's thread now. A few questions:

1) some of the links are dead. I'm having trouble finding information on outboard brackets, is there a good thread or website I should look at? Or do people tend to DIY these? the link on his thread looked like a company that did them, but the link was dead and I can't find other info.

2) jasoutside, can I ask why you kept the IO? I'm still early in the thread, but it looks like the OB/IO vote is skewed towards OB. And given what you mentioned earlier, that you wish you would have done OB, I'd be really curious to hear your thought process then and what has changed at this point. thanks!


And four more non-islander-specific questions:

3) Am I correct in assuming that the engine and outdrive are completely separate? But, are the outdrives generally interchangeable IF the mounting is correct? Like, I'm wondering if, since apparently chevy engines are good, if I decide to redo the transom and put on a different outdrive and so put the proper hole in there, I can definitely use it with my current engine. It's a universal drive shaft, or something?

4) Along those same lines: Can I run the engine by itself, or will that possibly cause damage? Like, maybe even in neutral there's some load on the engine to where I shouldn't run it without the outdrive hooked up, or is it fine to take off the outdrive and then run the engine? Also, I know that you're not supposed to run outboards out of the water because the impeller can burn up if run dry. Is there any reason I shouldn't run the engine without the outdrive hooked up?

5) On these i/o engines, is there a tell-tale or something similar so I can make sure water is circulating?

6) regarding batteries: I'm not sure I want to drop hundreds on new batteries if this boat will just sit for a while while I work on it, but I also want to run it for a while so I can see what I'm dealing with. Can I just jump it with a car battery? Will that cause any problems?

thanks!!
 

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http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/171828567100-0-1/s-l1000.jpg The 470 was a mer design that didnt go over that well. I try to stay with automotive or industrial based engines. There isnt a universal driveshaft on most marine engines. Some are seperate units some are conected with a bell housing like a car. Running tne engine dry will hurt the raw water pump. I recomend getting a cheap 12 battery of 650cca or better to test your boat and electronic accessories with. Even an automotive junkyard battery will do.
 

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southcogs: since ive never had an i/o boat before, I have to ask: when you say pull it, you're talking about pulling it off the boat.... but is there any chance this will ruin a hard-to-replace gasket or something? Are you suggesting I do this even if it appears to be working? also, any resources on parts I should be lookng at? ebay I guess... iboats... anywhere else? thanks
Yes, when I say "pull it," I mean removing the drive (disconnect from the engine) and pull it from the boat. There's no gasket or bellows between the outdrive and the intermediate on a Stringer. The rubber "boot" that you see at the back of the boat is a service item, but they have a pretty long life. If it's holding water, then you're in good shape.

IF you can start then engine, and it'll idle then the upper gear case is most likely okay. If you can shift through the gears, then the lower is most likely in good enough shape. The concern for me would be that you put a ton of effort into starting the engine, only to find the drive is toast.

Parts are available from NAPA, Evinrude, iBoats and a few others plus the NLA stuff on eBay and CraigsList.
 

ezmobee

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Your Chevy engine should be compatible with Mercruiser and maybe Volvo drive systems that used the same motor. There's lots of bits and pieces though so you'd want to find a donor boat with everything. If your engine is really good and you can find a Mercruiser donor boat with a blown or cracked motor, that would probably be a really cheap swap.

You can start yours up with a car battery no problem. And Wal-Mart marine starting batteries are just fine.
 

proshadetree

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On question 5 , there is an alarm you can get to tell of water isnt flowing. Also that looks like a 140 engine. There were merc drives put behind that engine to. You would be better off finding a complete setup if you intend to swap it though.
 

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Am I correct in assuming that the engine and outdrive are completely separate? But, are the outdrives generally interchangeable IF the mounting is correct? Like, I'm wondering if, since apparently chevy engines are good, if I decide to redo the transom and put on a different outdrive and so put the proper hole in there, I can definitely use it with my current engine. It's a universal drive shaft, or something?
Sorta' ... sorta' not ... the engine may have been used between a couple of different drives (the Chevy 250 that powered my Stringer also powered a comparable Mercruiser) and therefore the engines are kinda' their own bag. But the coupling of the drive to the engine are pretty different. So, you can't take a Merc leg and simply bolt it to the OMC Chevy engine. Hunt down some parts and shuffle some stuff around and you might be able to, but IMHO - if you're gonna' re-power: find a donor boat with a newer Merc that you like, and just swap the whole bloomin' deal.

Along those same lines: Can I run the engine by itself, or will that possibly cause damage? Like, maybe even in neutral there's some load on the engine to where I shouldn't run it without the outdrive hooked up, or is it fine to take off the outdrive and then run the engine? Also, I know that you're not supposed to run outboards out of the water because the impeller can burn up if run dry. Is there any reason I shouldn't run the engine without the outdrive hooked up?
Particularly on the OMC, but really on any - you'll toast the impeller if you run it more than a second or two without water. Muffs on the drive, or pull it and rig some water to the engine.

On these i/o engines, is there a tell-tale or something similar so I can make sure water is circulating?
LOL ... on the Stringer, there are supposed to be streams on the left and right at the pivot caps. But, on mine ... it kinda' squirted water all over the place. When you're afloat, the entire stringer is supposed to be submerged, so you'll never see the telltale anyway.

regarding batteries: I'm not sure I want to drop hundreds on new batteries if this boat will just sit for a while while I work on it, but I also want to run it for a while so I can see what I'm dealing with. Can I just jump it with a car battery? Will that cause any problems?
I don't believe that'll be a problem.
 
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