New member with UN-new boat...Need help identifying if possible!

colbyt

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All the PO has to do is swear under the penalty of perjury that he has owned the boat for 5 years.

There are simple bill of sale forms online to down load. I found one on my hard drive. I think we can attach pdf files.

In KY if a boat has a title you simply sign the title over to new owner and give them the current registration. It works just like a car, including the fact you have to sign the certification for the odometer reading which is N/A. It won't do any good to argue with the clerks. Ask me how I know. :)
 

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dogknott

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Tryin to see if I can get .PDF to attach, would this be the affidavit that needs filled out by previous owner to swear ownership? I found 2 forms: the attached affidavit of motor vehicle sale & also motor boat application for title/registration
 

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colbyt

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The second is the standard sales form used when you have a title; most commonly filled out by both parties for a new boat sale. Even if you have a valid assigned title they will make you fill out the buyer portion of this form before a title request will be submitted. The first appears to be a mechanics lien type of form. I can scan, not tonight, and post the back of a KY boat title if you like.

I don't think their is a form for swearing ownership.

You are in a friendly part of the state. A call or visit to the DMV section of your clerks office in an off peak time would definitely be worth the time. It will help you get it right the first time.
 

dogknott

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Well despite the horrible weather we had this morning I made it down to local dock to give it a try to see what problems I find. First off has to do with the hot foot I added using factory cable and I retained the factory shifter assembly & cable. Had problems getting it to engage forward but just some minor adjustments will fix that. But my throttle is wanting to kinda hang after letting off the gas, it springs back to just a little too much above idle to my liking. And I cant tell if the hot foot itself is in need of adjustment or what. Just barely getting any throttle, enough to propel it forward but not anywhere enough to get up on plane. Not sure if its fuel problem or cable??
 

Frank Acampora

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Before you do any adjusting, remove the engine cover and check to see that the throttle advances completely to the stop. There is always a high speed stop but it differs from engine to engine and I am not completely familiar with your 40.

These little boats can be difficult to plane. Again, I am not familiar with the handling of your Invader. However, as you saw in my videos, I need to lean well over the steering wheel to get my hull to drop the bow and go onto plane.

NOW, even with full throttle, if your hull is plowing water and not planing, the engine will not get into its power range and will seem to not be getting full throttle. It will pick-up dramatically as the bow drops--again, as you can see in my videos.

BUT: If you DO need to lean over the wheel and deck, the hot foot is not your best option because you can not press it for throttle and lean forward at the same time.

Mis-adjustment of throttle cables will cause an improper return to idle even with a correctly functioning hot foot. It is quite possible that you will need to add an extra return spring somewhere. But if you have Mercury controls, you MUST correctly adjust the cable at the engine whenever idle is adjusted so check this first.
 
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dogknott

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thanks for the help Frank I been doin some reading (here at work...) and I'm going to check the timing on it tonight. Does your motor on your cougar have power trim? I had it trimmed down and it just didn't have enough "umph" to get on plane. I'm thinking that I'm just having an issue with not getting full throttle. Kinda hard to do stuff like that by yourself! What kind of trailers do people use to haul these invaders?
 

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Timing of Force engines is USUALLY 30degrees BTDC. If timing is checked at cranking it is set to 28. IF your engine has mercury ignition, I believe the timing is marked right on the flywheel. Your engine has the 10 inch diameter, thrust pin drive prop so it is probably a little older. That means it would have either battery and points or first generation electronic ignition--NOT Mercury.

Once you get the engine running correctly, you will want to replace the stock prop. The blades are very thick and the prop is inefficient, making it more difficult to get on plane and limiting top speed. A good used Michigan aftermarket prop in the 10 3/8 diam. X 12 1/2 pitch would be a good starting point. The first two photos are a Bronze Michigan old school which are still available used on ebay. The last two show an aluminum prop with different methods of securing the prop. Vibration CAN break the tailcone or cotter pin and you will lose the prop.

The 60 had power trim and even with it tucked all the way in, the boat took a long time to get on plane. The 50/55 does not have power trim so it is set to optimal running position. It also takes a long time to plane and again, I need to lean way forward, over the steering wheel.

As far as I know, there is no specific trailer--anything the boat will fit on. It is way easier to launch with a smaller trailer and 8 inch wheels. And remember: the boat itself is not much more than 100 pounds. My Cub only weighs about 400 with the engine, a full tank of gas, and the battery so a large capacity trailer is not needed. The trailer you have it on is probably quite sufficient as long as it is sound.

If you are interested in maximum efficiency and letting the little boat deliver all the speed of which it is capable try lifting the engine until the anti-ventilation plate is about one inch above the hull bottom. This is easy if your engine has two holes in each transom clamp AND you used the top ones to mount it. Simply use the bottom holes, no extra drilling required. If you do need to drill more holes, seal the original ones with silicone RTV. That way, if you need to drop the engine again, you can push out the cured rubber. This, assuming that at least the bottom two 3/8 bolts also go through the transom--I can't tell from your pictures of the plate you made. If your plate is only 1/2 inch thick as it appears in the photo. then you need to do a bit more reinforcing.

It is surprising that your engine has power tilt. Very few of them came through stock even though Chrysler and later Force always had a tilt/trim unit available. That may have been an add on by the previous owner. Later Mercury built engines with through prop exhaust did come equipped with a single cylinder tilt/trim unit. Smatter of fact, I have a 50 sitting in my garage
 
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Took it back out since fixing the throttle linkage prob. Runs out really well but gotta fill in holes in back where PO had cable/pulley steering ran thru. Took on lil bit of water in the back...and wire bilge pump up
 

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since taking it out and seeing that the boat is gonna run/handle good I've pretty much disassembled all the inside to replace floor. What little distance I drove it across the lake I could see really quick that it's in need of some structural support. Even though the water was VERY rough that day, I could literally feel the bottom of the hull flexing and feel the hull bowing with every lil wave I hit. So I tore into it last night and floor was of coarse water logged & rotted and stringers were in just as bad of shape. I've been trying to find a page where someone did a floor replacement on a 10ft invader and have only found 1 that showed decent pictures. This is my first boat project pretty much and have already seen that the stringers are different on these little boats compared to videos/info I've found on stringer/deck replacement on typical boat. I have stripped the inside down to fiberglass (after much sanding & scraping rotted plywood) and unsure what my options are as far as strengthening hull & floor. Can someone break it down for me? I'll snap some pics tonight and post to give everyone better idea of the "hand I've been dealt"
 

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finally got floor re-fiberglassed and done yesterday and moved on to the outside of hull that needed some attention. had been working on sanding a little here and there past few days and finished it up today and managed to get first coat on. Rustoleum semi-gloss and added some hardener to try and help it cure little faster. How long should I wait inbetween coats with this Rustoleum? And how long should I wait before putting it in the water?




 
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dogknott

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No one know how long to wait b4 putting it in the water?
 

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No one know how long to wait b4 putting it in the water?

Give it about a week. The rustoleum dries but really cures over time. I would give it a week if your garage is warm 65? or so
 

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Re: New member with UN-new boat...Need help identifying if possible!

you did use the hardener in the paint, right?
 

dogknott

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yes I added some enamel hardner for implement paint. It's already been a week since painting and it's been in the garage out of the weather. Don't know how long it'll be before it'll be suitable weather to take it out... The high today was like 6 degrees...VERY VERY un-seasonably cold for this part of the south, at least around here
 

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To make you feel a little better about the cold, we are experenceing -40. Minus 40 is the same for celcus or fahrenheit and is cold no mater where you are.
 

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geez I guess you'd consider the weather we're having here a heat wave where you are!! Ky never has winters this cold, they've been mild enough for several years that I ride my Street Glide year round to/from work most the time. But not this year it's been parked for over a month and I don't see any sign of getting it out anytime soon!!
 

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I need to paint the lower part of hull now but I don't have anyway to do so with it being on the trailer. Guess I'll just leave it the way it is, its still a vast improvement compared to when I got it. Here's a pic of how it looks now. I've got all the wiring,ignition,lights,tether kill switch, speedometer & depth finder installed along with new bilge pump. Waiting for the temp to at least get up near 60 before I'm taking it back out I guess. Sucks working on a winter project like this and not being able to enjoy it but at best 8 months out of the year.

 
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I hear ya, my boat sits in the garage from end of September to end of April. It calls to me from the garage. BTW your boat looks great, I am sure some one here will tell you how to do the bottom. I was thinking of buffing mine but have the same problem as you and my boat is a little bigger but I suspect is still doable.
 

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I need to paint the lower part of hull now but I don't have anyway to do so with it being on the trailer.

I painted a 13ft boat on one occasion by removing the motor and tilting it vertically on its transom while tied to a tree. Cannot tell from the pix if your garage is high enough to allow that with your ten footer. Maybe you could rig a sling or something. Good luck!
 
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