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WIMUSKY

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Never too early to talk about it...... I haven't been keeping up lately, so I decided to go to Jayski to see the latest. Not sure about this "potential" points change. A guy like Tony who finished 29th in points could possibly make the Chase because he had a win. Get a win and stink it up most of the season and still make the Chase?:confused:

Maybe I'm alone, but, I get kinda tired of the constant changes NASCAR makes on a yearly basis all in the name of better racing, more excitement for the fans(supposedly anyway)..... That in itself turns off fans, at least it does for me.

I suppose most of you NASCAR guys already read this........... :laugh:



NASCAR considering changes to the Chase, points system: NASCAR is planning a vast restructuring of the points system in its premier Sprint Cup Series that would greatly emphasize winning races and feature eliminations in its Chase playoff system, according to multiple sources briefed on the plan this week. In addition to expanding the Chase field from 12 to 16 drivers, a win in the season's first 26 races would virtually ensure a driver entry into the championship Chase. If there were more than 16 winners, the 16 with the most wins and highest in points would gain entry.
Once the Chase field was set, a round of eliminations  similar to the NCAA tournament  would take place after the third, sixth and ninth race of the Chase, culminating with the championship determined by a winner-takes-all season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway. Under the proposed system - which could still change before an expected announcement later this month - winning would become virtually a necessity to make the Chase and win the championship.
According to sources briefed on the proposal on Friday, 16 teams would make the Chase, with positions first going to full-time series contenders who won a race through the first 26 races of the season. Should 16 drivers not win races, the remaining slots would be filled by the drivers highest in points.
Once the field is set for the Chase and re-seeded, the four lowest in points among Chase contenders would be eliminated from title contention after the third, sixth and ninth race in the Chase. The four remaining contenders would enter the season finale reset with the same amount of points. The driver who earned the most points in the season finale would be the series champion.
Participants have been told changes could still occur in the format but the proposal addressed this week was the direction NASCAR was now seemingly headed.(Charlotte Observer)
NASCAR Statement: "NASCAR has begun the process of briefing key industry stakeholders on potential concepts to evolve its NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship format. This dialogue is the final phase of a multi-year process that has included the review of extensive fan research, partner and industry feedback and other data-driven insights. NASCAR has no plans to comment further until the stakeholder discussions are complete. We hope to announce any potential changes for the 2014 season to our media and fans very soon."(NASCAR)(1-18-2014)
 

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You could have situation where Jr, KB Sr and Bowyer who finished high in the points last year wouldn't make the Chase because they didn't have any wins.
 

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hard to say, it would keep the guys from "strategic" racing and get everyone trying to win at least one race. seems folks think it takes some of the ecitement out of racing when the top guys strat just riding around the track with an intent to finish and garner a couple extra points.
let 'em run the wheels off trying for a win and things get more exciting on a weekly basis.
like it or not many folks watch racing for the crashes. if the guys aren't pushing hard to win then the crash count goes down, as the crash count goes down so does the viewer count.

just an opinion.
 

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From what I've read at different places and what you posted, Musky - It's possible that the final race could feature four drivers racing for the championship that didn't win a single race. Very unlikely since the last three seasons have had 17, 15 and 19 different race winners, but it could happen.

This dialogue is the final phase of a multi-year process that has included the review of extensive fan research, partner and industry feedback and other data-driven insights.

I don't believe this is the "final phase" by any means. I haven't heard if Cup will start the group qualifying this year like N-W and Trucks will this year. But according to this, some Cup qualifying changes are coming: NASCAR Nationwide Series News: Changes Coming to Qualifying - MotorRacingNetwork.com


I'm getting tired of the changes, as well. Except I would like to see one change - No more JJ championships!. :lol:
 

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Lets make it simple.
Every driver is in the chase.
After the ninth race of the chase, you announce that the tenth race is cancelled.
You put every drivers name in a hat, and keep drawing names until they get one they like.
 

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Lets make it simple.
Every driver is in the chase.
After the ninth race of the chase, you announce that the tenth race is cancelled.
You put every drivers name in a hat, and keep drawing names until they get one they like.

Lets draw names the week before Daytona. Cost effective, no one gets hurt, show race re-runs during the season and leave Johnson's slip on the floor. :D
 

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This is one way to get Danica in the Chase, just pull off a plate win........ Nothing against Danica.....
 

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I have not watched or followed for several years.

There is just a Yuk factor that I cannot overcome.

It's too regulated, too fake (IMHO), and just too "Choreographed".

There is too much , behind the scenes, stuff going on to make it real.

Not to mention, the drivers have become HollyWeird stars. They are no longer just "drivers".

Jut like the NFL, NBA and most college sports. Way too much money has been injected and the "Sport" is gone!:frown:
 

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I kind of like some of the new Chase stuff, but I don't like the 16 winners are in. There needs to be something said for consistency ... Just not sure how to do it. I like the pairing down, but not the last race a winner take all, although it might be fin to watch. If they wanted it that way, forget about the big money and trophy for driver of the year and just make every race stand on its own!
 
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This is one way to get Danica in the Chase, just pull off a plate win........ Nothing against Danica.....

Yeah, right.

Hasn't she only won one race in the last 12 seasons? Or is it longer than that?
And that was because the 3 drivers in front of her were out of fuel.

SHe qualifies fast, and fades to the back of the field even faster.
 

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I don't like the one race wins the championship thing after elimination rounds. They are trying to copy other sports too much.
 

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Whoever wins the 500 has a good chance of making the Chase. Since it's a plate race anyone could win, yes, even Danica. She finished 8th last year. Last year there were 17 drivers who won a race. Only 1 driver would have been eliminated if they go to the new system. Win you're in for the most part. Then they can spend a bunch of their time tweaking the cars to see what works and what doesn't in prep for the Chase.

I agree, I don't want to see them mirror other professional sports. Mess around too much and they will really lose their audience..... If you look at the stands there's not much left to lose. Some tracks are removing stands to try and make the remaining look full, aka 'Dega. And there's still plenty of empty seats...

I guess we'll see what happens. None of this may come to fruition.......
 

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How about the changes coming to qualifying - knockout format? 25 minutes to get the fastest lap, top 24 fastest move to a 10 minute round and the top 12 go on to a final 5 minute round. Single car qualifying is boring, but now there will 3 races for qualifying. Not all tracks will use the same format, but variations.

Some details - NASCAR moves to knockout qualifying format - Windstream Communications
 

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How about the changes coming to qualifying - knockout format? 25 minutes to get the fastest lap, top 24 fastest move to a 10 minute round and the top 12 go on to a final 5 minute round. Single car qualifying is boring, but now there will 3 races for qualifying. Not all tracks will use the same format, but variations.

Some details - NASCAR moves to knockout qualifying format - Windstream Communications

Yeah baby, that's what I want to see, Just about like F1. I can't wait.
This will really have us all glued to our sets. Not !!!

How about this, just draw names out of a hat.
 

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I like K.I.S.S.

I agree. NASCAR is going to jack around the format enough where a lot of people will stop watching..... Change isn't always good.... And that's all I'll say about that...... :)
 

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Wasn't group qualifying used on the road courses last year? 5 or 6 cars ran laps for so many laps or a fixed time. I want to know what happens when cars tangle and turn into junk. The only exempt race is the Daytona 500. What if we have the "Big One" at Dega or the July Daytona race. What are the rules for possibly 20 cars starting at the back - Back to drawing numbers out of a hat?

I hope I didn't indicate up in post #13 that I liked the idea. There are more questions than answers at this point. I think group qualifying is OK. I just don't like the knockout format.
 

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Are they forgetting their southern, redneck, stereotypical fan? If it ain't K.I.S.S, it ain't gonna make sense after the 8th beer!;):facepalm::laugh:

Line 'em up and let them run, bump, and play!
 

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Speaking of Nascar, (Thanks Wim!) do any of your participate in fantasy racing? I joined a friend of our Son's group last year and had fun. (Nascar Fantasy Live).

They are understandably a bit slow in setting up a new season which made it hard to get a team together for the league.
 
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I hate the whole chase thing. If only 12 drivers can win it why are there 43 drivers in the race? That is like letting random non qualified teams in March madness play too but saying they can't win it in the end. If they want to use a chase system just have the chase drivers in it or drop it.
 
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