MerCruiser 3.0L 140 No Acceleration

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Re: MerCruiser 3.0L 140 No Acceleration

That's gotta be worth looking at more closely, esp if the base timing was set to TDC at idle. The more usual situation is anywhere from 4 to 8 degrees BTDC. Dig it up and do it by the book, cuz if you set it too much BTDC, trouble will follow.
 

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Re: MerCruiser 3.0L 140 No Acceleration

Ok, the kit was purchased from this website (iboats.com) - sierra mercruiser omc ignition electronic conversion kit 18 5297
That's all the info I have... does anyone have a copy of the instructions?
And does that include timing info?
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Ok, may be on to something here... just spoke with PO, he said acceleration probs started after he installed electronic ignition kit. AND he was unaware that timing had to be set. Q: Does the kit change the timing? If so, what should the timing be set at now?
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I took a quick look through the Sierra Marine on-line catalogue, did not find your part #. I saw conversion kits that go inside your existing distributor and I saw conversion kits that include a replacement distributor.

If yours is the former, the spark advance relies on your centrifugal springloaded arms for timing advance, so do the takeapart to ensure they move freely. And set your base timing at spec idle speed (usually appx 700 rpm), and if you have a 140 3 litre, set your base timing advance at 6 degrees BTDC.

If your conversion includes the distributor, you need Sierra Marine's info on setting the timing. It is possible (but not certain) they just require timing at TDC with engine off. If that's the case, remove the valve cover to verify that the engine is at the power stroke (both intake and exhaust valve closed, lifters loose), and the piston is at TDC (flywheel mark at 0 on graduated gauge strip on block)

I expect the conversion system would at the least, spec the idle rpms at which your initial timing should be set, and the degrees BTDC
 

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Re: MerCruiser 3.0L 140 No Acceleration

Thanks for this info. Something is amiss, the engine ran much better before timing adj to 6 BTDC. I will take a closer look at the distributor to determine which type it is... Also, there are no jumpers needed before setting timing?
 

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be careful with blind playing with the ignition timing since you may blow the head gasket if you go too far in spark advance.

when it idles and starts finde but dies on applying power it sounds for me your main jets are clogged. idle is done via the idle mixture screws, when you give throttle the main jets kick in - and here it seems it struggles to get enough fuel.
 

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2nd carb, same symptom. I suspect the timing still... It's set correctly by the label info on the engine, but is worse now. I'll get in touch with Sierra to see if timing setting changes with elec ig kit.
 

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Ok, one problem solved - it's not a Sierra conversion...

Found install instructions on PerTronix website.
After install "set the timing in the conventional manner"
So, I'm back to square one.

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I'm at the end of my capabilities. just going around in circles now. I have someone who is familiar with this engine stopping by over the weekend. Hopefully, can get a handle on this problem. And I want to thank all who made suggestions and offered advice, it's sincerely appreciated! I'll let the board know if any progress is made.
 

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Ahhh... Mechanic called out of town. Back to me own devices... Not sure where to start tho...
 

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i would try the following :

run it and try to keep it in the range where it is about to stall and then finally let it stall. do not restart but pull immediately one plug and post a picture. look yourself if this plug is bone dry or wet and sooted. with luck you at least will find out if it struggles to get correct ignition (timing ) - plug wet , or if it does not get fuel - plug bone dry .
 

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Your guy said problems arose after the ignition change, so re-check everything, carefully. Verify that TDC is true, by manually cranking engine to max rise of piston #1, with screwdriver or depth gauge in spark plug hole. Verify that the timing mark is at 0 degrees, and the rotor in the distributor is pointing to #1 plug wire.

Remove plugs, line them up in a grounded row in the correct firing order (wrap the threads with one piece of 14-ga bare copper, screw down 1 end of the copper to a good ground), crank with key-start, verify they are sparking in order, one end of the row to the other).

If all's well so far, remove the dist'r base plate and check that the spring-loaded timing advance arms move freely and that their springs are intact.

If still not found, swap out with a good replacement distributor (if points & condenser style, clean & gap the points correctly), and again verify TDC is right.

If still no cigar, you've missed it again, OR if you are certain you've checked correctly, it's a completely different problem. You need fuel, spark and compression, all at the right times. Check compression, that's the only item you haven't touched yet.

A PS thought/question... breaker points misbehave badly and result in gross random missing/misfires if the distributor shaft is worn (because the points gap bounces all over the map with excess radial play). Does your electronic gear require precise and constant centering of the dist'r shaft?
 

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Re: MerCruiser 3.0L 140 No Acceleration

Thanks for the help/advice, but I'm in over my head at this point. Someone familiar with this engine said he will take a look when he gets a chance. Unfortunately, he was called away to Chicago during the week, so I'm on hold until he gets a chance to stop over. When I bought the boat, the PO said it had an acceleration prob and needed a carb rebuild. I swapped carbs, same problem. Replaced entire fuel line and fittings. Timing was off, set that and here I sit. No experience and no tools. Thanks tho, appreciate the info.
 

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Making headway (sort of) ... backyard mechanic familiar with Mercruiser 3.0 took a look at mine yesterday. Pretty sure it'a fuel prob. Ignition/timing ok in his opinion. Prob either carb or fuel pump (or possible old fuel crystals in tank). He's gonna return with a fuel pressure gauge to sort out the culprit. I'm feeling optimistic again.
 

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Today ran engine until warm and idle ok. Still, any throttle and it stalls (original problem). In an effort to isolate the problem, I disconnected the fuel line at the fuel pump inlet and hooked up a line to a small exterior tank with fresh gas. Hoping to find out if the problem was before the engine or on the engine. Couldn't get it to idle. The engine would start after choking then race, and when I pulled the throttle back, it would die. Tried this numerous times.

Not what I expected to see... So, I reconnected the boat fuel supply back up to the fuel pump and same thing, hard to start - choke, race, die. I am not sure where to go from here. Any ideas?
 

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Re: MerCruiser 3.0L 140 No Acceleration

UPDATE: Low fuel pressure (2-3) replaced fuel pump, now pressure (6-8), idles and accelerates no problem now, but backfires ... first thing to check?
 
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