Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

jtexas

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How is it affecting you? No offense intended to those of you with mineral interests, but it's killing me.<br /><br />Our gasoline bills are way more than I ever thought they would be. I'm actually driving less than I want to. Never thought that would happen.<br /><br />Electricity: sky high and still rising!<br /><br />At work, just the increase in fuel prices since last year has cost my company over $1.2 billion this year, which means that instead of record profits and profit-sharing checks, we get another year of losses and no raises and most likely, more layoffs.<br /><br />It's just not natural. I smell a conspiracy and I want to know who's behind it!
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Crude has just hit a record $53US a barrel. <br /><br />From a personal standpoint - its hurting big time.<br /><br />From a business standpoint - I'm raising my labour rate to compensate for the additional costs.<br /><br />I wonder if the OPEC board members pay for their own fuel :confused: <br /><br />Aldo
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> <br />It's just not natural. I smell a conspiracy and I want to know who's behind it!
Saudi Arabians and demand is who's behind it.And right on time to put the squeeze on the USA during a regional conflict that they claim is not ethical for them to become militarily involved.With allies like them ,who needs enemies?
 

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ob, did you see that interview on Fox tonight with the Saudi rep?<br /><br />He said that the US did not want them involved in it is the reason that they have not sent any troops there. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

beezee28

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

It is not the Saudi but the speculator in the New York exchange. They are the one who is making the price of crude goes up. (example: They speculate that the price for November crude delivery should be at around, say $55.00 per barrel and then says that there is going to be a worker strike in the Nigerian oil production and therefore a shortage in oil export from Nigeria and a shortage in supply. Mind you the oil have not even been pump out of the ground. So Investors on heard that there MIGHT be a shortage and drives the price up. They start to speculate and buy crude oil at $55.00 and hope to sell the crude off when the price reaches, say $57.00 per barrel. So at the New York exchange people started to buy and price goes up. THESE are the people that is driving the price up. The Saudi ARE the producer. Their price to produce a barrel of crude is still the same as last year and the year before. But they are laughing all the way to the bank because IDIOTS that speculate make the crude price so expensive and that is how the Saudi and OPEC is making their money.<br /><br />My 2 cents worth.
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

There is a simple solution.<br />Find an altenative energy source.<br />If as much money was sunk in to R&D on Alternatives, then infrastructure, as is being spent on the current war, a solution may be found pretty quickly. <br />Then the developed world could tell the oil producers to jam their product.<br />Then again, you would have to deal with those industries of ours that make money from oil or the machinery/products that rely on oil, so after all the lobby-ing, and political back handers, I guess nothing is ever going to change - not until there is no more oil left anyway.<br />I personally believe our reliance on a product that is in the hands of these countries is ludicrious. And we are so stupid, we aint doing nothing about changing.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Supply/vs/demand, pure and simple. "And you haven't seen nuthin yet"....Winter is comming, and whereas we seldom use heating oil this far south, my heart goes out to my northern friends, and we will probably still get hit with record electric rates nation-wide.
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

There is no simple answer to this one. Speculators are part of it, no doubt. They make money when markets move. It doesn't really matter whether it is up or down, as long as they are moving.<br /><br />Supply/demand is part of it. There is no short term fix for this, until the price for energy gets high enough that make alternatives feasible.<br /><br />The war is certainly part of it, and the resultant geopolitical risk associated with the chaos in Iraq, as well as Russia and other places.<br /><br />Get used to it. While prices will go up and down, the trend will be up unless something dramatic happens somehow.
 

rudeafrican

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Supply and demand is only a small part of it. The oil producing nations (OPEC)(all muslim by the way), has decided that they wanted to double the price of crude by the end of the year. Legally they cannot achieve this. So they collude and all cut oil output by x million barrels a day. This creates an artificial shortage and viola!, the price goes up. All perfectly legal and above board. <br /><br />The question we should rather be asking is "Is this a purely profit driven tactic or are there a far deeper agenda?" My feelings are that this ties in nicely with the muslim globalization plot. Wreck the economies of your enemies in order to make it easier to conquer them...
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Well.........one day when stocks deminish we will do something about changing.<br />Why not get stuck in and be serious about finding altenatives now.<br />I would feel so good to be able to tell those oil producers they can stick their barrels where the sun don't shine.<br />I think of the men who came up with the telephone, electricity, flight etc etc, and what have we done of importance.....not very much.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

In the 70's, I can remember the long lines and stations being sold out of gas. Today we have 3 or 4 more times the gas stations and none without gas. :confused: <br /><br />I tend to think that having too many stations is creating the demand to keep them stocked. I know in my town it is easy to find a station. If it is like that in this small town its that way in others. So this problem was generated on our own land.<br /><br />Why is it every time a report comes out saying our economy is turning around that the price of oil rises shortly afterwards? This crap has been going on for over the past year.<br /><br />I tend to agree with others that the terroists have infiltrated OPEC. Hit the US in their pocket books where it hurts, wrong, its just pissing most of us off!<br /><br />Lets see them grow grain out of sand. Maybe we need to double the price of grain each time oil goes up. We do have an alternative fuel and transportation. Horse and buggy did it before, it can do it again. Yep, its slower, but OPEC wouldn't have any control over them....
 

mellowyellow

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MY saw the interview on o'reilly last night SBN.<br />the saudi's have offered to almost double production<br />but we are maxed out on our refining capabilities<br />and haven't been able to increase purchasing.<br />the price of oil is "speculated" on the futures<br />market here at NYSE. we set the price.<br />another huge problem is the kazillion different<br />mixtures they have to refine based on several<br />state laws. if we had a national standard, then<br />it would be a true market economy and prices would<br />come down, but gas refined for cali. for example<br />can only be sold in cali. no competition causes<br />higher prices.<br />even if we opened up the biggest oil field we got<br />in alaska, we still couldn't increase production.<br /><br />a perfect example of how too many govt restrictions<br />bites us in the wallet IMHO.
 

KaGee

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EPA Regulations make the cost of new refineries prohibitive. NIMBY attitudes do not help either.<br /><br />But wait a minute... I thought it was GEORGE BUSH and HALIBURTON's fault? :confused: :rolleyes:
 

kenimpzoom

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Originally posted by rudeafrican:<br /> Supply and demand is only a small part of it. The oil producing nations (OPEC)(all muslim by the way), has decided that they wanted to double the price of crude by the end of the year. Legally they cannot achieve this. So they collude and all cut oil output by x million barrels a day. This creates an artificial shortage and viola!, the price goes up. All perfectly legal and above board. <br /><br />The question we should rather be asking is "Is this a purely profit driven tactic or are there a far deeper agenda?" My feelings are that this ties in nicely with the muslim globalization plot. Wreck the economies of your enemies in order to make it easier to conquer them...
Check your facts, output from OPEC is way high. And not every OPEC member is muslim.<br /><br />The reason oil prices are high is because the world oil is dependant on oil from nations that are not too stable. Mid east, Nigeria, and Russia all produce most of the oil. None of the places are very stable. That makes people nervous, so the price goes up.<br /><br />It is all artifically high, and one day, it will all come crashing down.<br /><br />No one (except for me, I am in the oilfield) was complaining when oil was 8 dollars a barrel five years ago.<br /><br />Ken
 

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - While Americans are shelling out record prices for fuel, Iraqis pay only about 5 cents a gallon for gasoline a benefit of hundreds of millions of dollars subsidies bankrolled by American taxpayers. <br /> <br />Before the war, forecasters predicted that by invading Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein, America would benefit from increased exports of oil from Iraq, which has the world's second largest petroleum reserves. <br /> <br />That would mean CHEAP GAS FOR AMERICAN MOTORISTS and a boost for the oil-dependent American economy. More than a year after the invasion, that logic has been flipped on its head. Now the average price for gasoline in the United States is running $2.05 a gallon 50 cents more than the pre-invasion price. Instead, THE ONLY PEOPLE GETTING CHEAP GAS as a result of the invasion ARE THE IRAQIS. <br /> <br />Filling a 22-gallon tank in Baghdad with low-grade fuel costs just $1.10, plus a 50-cent tip for the attendant. A tankful of high-test costs $2.75. <br /> <br />In Britain, by contrast, gasoline prices hit $5.79 per gallon last week $127 for a tankful. <br /> <br />Although Iraq is a major petroleum producer, the country has little capacity to refine its own gasoline. So the U.S. government pays about $1.50 a gallon to buy fuel in neighboring countries and deliver it to Iraqi stations. A three-month supply costs American taxpayers more than $500 million, not including the cost of military escorts to fend off attacks by Iraqi insurgents. The arrangement keeps a fleet of 4,200 tank trucks constantly on the move, ferrying fuel to Iraq. <br /> <br />"We thank the Americans," Baghdad taxi driver Osama Hashim said. "They risked their lives to liberate us and now they are improving our lives," said Hashim, 26, topping up the tank on his beat-up 1983 Volkswagen. <br /> <br />Iraq's fuel subsidies, which are intended to mollify drivers used to low-priced fuel under Saddam, have coupled with the opening of the borders to create an anarchic car culture in Baghdad. Cheap used cars shipped from Europe and Asia are flooding into Iraq. A 10-year-old BMW in good condition costs just $5,000. Since gas is so cheap, anyone with a car can become a taxi driver. Drivers jam the streets, offering rides for as little as 250 dinars about 17 cents. <br /> <br />Analysts say the U.S. gas subsidies can't last forever and Iraqis may be in for an unpleasant shock when they end. In the meantime, however, THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER CONTINUES TO FOOT A HUGE BILL. <br /> <br />"The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The minute the aid goes out, the party is over. And there's going to be A HELL OF A HANGOVER." <br /> <br />The U.S. government paid even more last year for Iraqis' gasoline between $1.59 and $1.70 a gallon when the imports were contracted to Halliburton, the Texas oil services giant formerly headed by Vice President **** Cheney. The cheap fuel is spurring unsustainable demand, promoting wasteful use of energy and transportation, and squandering Iraq's oil output that might otherwise be exported, Cordesman said. <br /> <br />"You're leading people to buy cars that aren't affordable at normal costs," he said. "You need to move toward real market prices as quickly as you can without causing instability." <br /> <br />Iraqi drivers protest that the price difference between a gallon of gas in the United States and Iraq is fair, because the average Iraqi earns around $1,000 a year, a thirtieth of the average U.S. wage. <br /> <br />"If the price of gas goes up, we'll see lots of anger in the street," said cab driver Hashim, at a grimy filling station on Saadoun Street in central Baghdad.
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

well I have to admit that I'll be fine with fuel costs raising up to say $4.80 to $5.00 a gallon.<br /><br />when you put it into perspective with soft drinks or just bottled water....<br /><br />bottled water - @ $1.50 for 20oz.<br /><br />bottle of pepsi - @ $1.30 for 20oz.<br /><br />---<br />1 Fluid Ounces = 0.00781 US Gallons<br /><br />20 Ounces = 0.15625 Gallons<br /><br />6.4 20oz. bottles = Gallon<br />---<br /><br />ready for this??..... <br /><br /><br />20oz bottled water = $9.60 per Gallon<br /><br />20oz bottled Pepsi = $8.32 per Gallon<br /><br /><br />shows how silly we as consumers are...
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

As I say in every one of these "price of gas threads" please compare the increase in the price of gas over the last 50 years, to the increase in everything else over the last 50 years. You will find that gas is amazingly cheap.<br /><br />However, jtexas as you stated the high fuel costs hurt business, which in turn can cause a recession. OPEC knows a recession is bad, so they are doing everything they can to reduce oil to $25-30/bbl.<br /><br />Ken
 

jtexas

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

Originally posted by Barlow:<br /> <br />20oz bottled water = $9.60 per Gallon<br /><br />20oz bottled Pepsi = $8.32 per Gallon<br /><br />shows how silly we as consumers are...
It's packaging & distribution, Barlow. If I bought gasoline in individually packaged 20 oz. containers I would expect to pay accordingly.<br /><br />I wouldn't pay $1 for 20 oz. of water, but I would pay $1 for somebody to provide a clean, cold bottle of water when & where I want it.
 

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Re: Make it stop, PLEASE. (the price of oil, I mean)

It's killing me, no matter who's fault it is. Diesel is $2.00 a gallon. I agree with jtexas. Make it stop.
 

jtexas

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I still smell a giant Enron-type conspiracy. <br /><br />I know the fear-factor drives up the price, but $30/bbl? Give me a break. <br /><br />Supply/demand? Sure but with OPEC production at an all-time high what's driving the demand? Chinese petroleum consumption is growing by leaps & bounds but I can't believe that would give you the kind of spike we've seen. Did I say spike? That would imply a quick drop to previous levels, but we're not expecting that.<br /><br />I understand about the refining bottleneck, and how refiners can't economically bring old plants back online because of EPA regs, but there is no gasoline shortage. Plenty of supply at $2.00, but I submit to you that there would be plenty of supply at $1.25!<br /><br />Alternative fuels? Absolutely, but I'll be living in a cardboard box under the overpass by then!<br /><br />I have always scoffed at conspiracy theories, but something funny is going on here, and I don't mean ha-ha funny.
 
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