Lady renovating boat please help

DeepBlue2010

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Youw post is full of conflicting info. I am not sure if you misread some info on the net or you really referring to actual products and finishes on your boat.

Gelcoat is not a paint let alnone led based. Paint striper will have no effect on gelcoat at all.

Gelcoat is modified polyester resin. And while breathing any chemicals either in vapor or dust form or otherwise is absolutely should be avoided at all cost, polyester resin alone or with fiberglass dust is not lethal or irreversibly damaging to the human body.

Unlike asbestos, the molecular composition of fiberglass doesn't have "hooks" and will not permanently attach itself to the lungs and cause horrible diseases, etc. The human body will just cough it up.

Now, I am not saying it is ok to breath those chemicals or foreign material, just stating the facts about the subject that was relayed to me by my doctors.
 

boaterlady

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The bottom paint has lead. I tested it. And all the scraping we did thinking it was paint damaged some of the gelcoat so now it needs touching up. The fibreglass is also pretty damaged in a few spots too. It's a time factor, all this may take a while. And trying to raise it up to work on it has been a challenge. I am trying to be clear here, thanks for helping as it seems noone else wants to. I have posted photos and what not. We now have a gelcoat missing in spots with some dings, some fibreglass repair needed and still need to remove some bottom paint. I have read and read for weeks and there is conflicting info out there so it has been a struggle figuring it out, I am not being lazy here. Need to know if i can touch up gelcoat in spots, how to lift it up to put it on blocks etc, working on stripping it.
 

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boaterlady, I have read your thread since you started it. But I haven't offered much in the way of ideas and/or suggestions. And the reason is because you have got a huge boat project that in my opinion will take a huge effort to do it right. I have no idea what your skills are or how many tools you own or the types. But this boat is going to take a major effort to get it ready to float again.

When you state that the bottom "paint" is lead-based, which part, the red bottom area, or the mid-section white area or the top side blue area? My idea to address those lead-based areas is to suit up in a Tyvek total suit with a quality 3M respirator mask and gloves and then use a vacuum sander to sand the paint off and collect the dust removed. A lot of palm sanders have an adapter to attach a vacuum hose to it to collect the dust. But that is just my opinion. If you are seriously scared of the removal effort, hire an appropriate company to remove the lead paint. Then you can address the remaining gel coat areas. Either way, that paint has to go so you can then work the remaining finish. But along with the tyvek suit, you really should make a tent-like area over the hull and lay plastic sheet down to also catch any dust for the removal process. But it is doable.

You have to understand that you have a huge project that will take some serious equipment to work on it. Just getting the boat up and off the trailer (which also needs refurbished in my opinion) will take some quality supports because of the weight. Not simply a few block of wood, but some quality supports made for your hull so as you do get inside and out (and that is going to happen lots of times), the hull doesn't move even a little. You will be going under the hull to do work on it so safety has to be the utmost importance. JMHO
 

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If it was already bottom painted, it is a different story.

You can touch up the gel. You mentioned that you ordered the patch kit. What I saying is that if you plan to reapply bottom paint or paint in general over this gel, no need to patch with gelcoat. You will be using it as a filler. There are other marine fillers out there (not Bondo) designed to do this job better; some are for above water line applications and some for below water line and others for both.

This link

http://www.customboatrepairs.com/jm...oat-from-a-trailer&catid=3:diy-tips&Itemid=17

Will tell you everything you need to know regarding removing the boat from the trailer and put it on blocks. There is a slid show at the bottom most people think it is a picture and miss it. Make sure you flip through the pictures.
 

boaterlady

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Thanks so much, Not trying to be rude, just want to do this. I know it is huge but it is all a learning experience. I do like a challenge lol. Always wanted to do something like this so here we go. I have been wearing a suit just for scraping off the paint thus far to be safe and as even with stripper there is is still a lot of dust. The sanding is my next move with a HEPA vacuum. And the gelcoat is pretty thrashed now but are you saying i can just sand and paint? What about making sure no water gets in, is that an issue? thanks again !!!!!

There are lots of gouges and scratches and the fibreglass shows in spots.

I have read people are using very solid blocks of 12 x 12 in several spots to support boat, I would still leave trailer there in case, just need to get it up 6 or 8 inches is what i was thinking. The trailer i am not worried about is once boat is done, we will slip her year around and not use the trailer again for a good while, by which stage yes then she will be repaired to a good enough level to use for future maintenance etc.
 

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Three pics does not make enough sense for everyone to respond properly. Try to post a specific pic with the related questions. Everyone here wants to help out. The pics specific to your questions will surely aid your situation.
BTW... you're not rude at all. It's quite a challenge you have and it sure seems you are up to it.
KC
 

gm280

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Yes take a few picture of the area you are referring. Obviously the lead-based paint has to go. But then the remaining Gel Coat has to be addressed next. Once we can see what you are seeing and dealing with. Then quality suggestions and ideas will flow. But it is hard to know what you mean with a lot of gouges and fiberglass showing is all about. That could be anywhere from a few nicks to some serious damaged areas. But we have no idea without seeing it. Most of the time, gel coat can be repaired and made sound again. But we have no idea if you first need the subsurface repaired before applying any gel coat material. JMHO
 

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Thanks so much, Not trying to be rude, just want to do this. I know it is huge but it is all a learning experience. I do like a challenge lol. Always wanted to do something like this so here we go. I have been wearing a suit just for scraping off the paint thus far to be safe and as even with stripper there is is still a lot of dust. The sanding is my next move with a HEPA vacuum. And the gelcoat is pretty thrashed now but are you saying i can just sand and paint? What about making sure no water gets in, is that an issue? thanks again !!!!!

There are lots of gouges and scratches and the fibreglass shows in spots.

I have read people are using very solid blocks of 12 x 12 in several spots to support boat, I would still leave trailer there in case, just need to get it up 6 or 8 inches is what i was thinking. The trailer i am not worried about is once boat is done, we will slip her year around and not use the trailer again for a good while, by which stage yes then she will be repaired to a good enough level to use for future maintenance etc.


No worries; I took no offense of what you said, I know this process can be very frustrating in the beginning.

No, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that the gouges need filling and fairing but not necessarily with Gelcoat. Gelcoat is worth the efforts when it will be shown and visible to people to see. If it will be hidden under a coat of paint and you will be using it only to fill gouges, there are much better product designed for this specific purpose. 3M marine filler (below water line) is an excellent product and it sands and fair much easier than gel.

Your plan to lift the boat of the trailer is OK. Use a post of 4 x 4 on a floor jack to give you the clearance you want and them put the blocks under the keel (the center of the boat).

You must provide side support though with boat stands. You don't want this boat to lean to either side while you are working. If one of you starts at the transom, jacking up the boat and block it, the other one could get a couple of boat stands to supports the sides
 
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A picture says a thousand words. This is some of the fun ahead.
 

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True confession: I don't know a whole lot about rehabbing 45 year old sailboats.

But, as I'm reading this thread I cannot stop thinking one simple thought. Why all the attention to the outside of the boat before any discussion on the state of the condition under the deck? I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone involved.
 

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True confession: I don't know a whole lot about rehabbing 45 year old sailboats.

But, as I'm reading this thread I cannot stop thinking one simple thought. Why all the attention to the outside of the boat before any discussion on the state of the condition under the deck? I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone involved.

thomas15, that is usually the first place most boat rebuilders attack. Once you understand the condition of the floor, transom, stringers and bulkheads, then you work the cosmetics on the out side. But there is no hard fast way to work over any boat. However, if there are some serious structural issues inside, that can in some instances effect the outside. But we will see. JMHO
 

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True confession: I don't know a whole lot about rehabbing 45 year old sailboats.

But, as I'm reading this thread I cannot stop thinking one simple thought. Why all the attention to the outside of the boat before any discussion on the state of the condition under the deck? I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone involved.


After reading the entire thread, and looking at some of the video, I was thinking the same as thomas15. This looks like an ambitious project by an ambitious person, which is great. I will follow along, offer any help I can, and learn from the good folks here. It seems boaterlady has the drive to get it done.
 

boaterlady

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Half the floor inside is ripped up and she looks pretty solid. We have put her in the water and there are no leaks. Also, the guy at the marine store here where it's not a large boating community at all, actually knew the lady who had the boat for years before the owner we bought it off and he thought it was a fair deal. He knows the boat. Doing our best without a lot of knowledge.
 

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From the pics you may want a little more than just a filler to repair .. I would grind it back a little and use some csm to fill it back up close to level first then use some filler to fair it out straight .. At least on the first pic . jmho ....
 

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More pics.... wider perspectives. Distance and close ups. Feels like I'm looking into a microscope. Start with like they said the structural, open floors, transom, bulkheads, stringers.
 

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boaterlady, without sounding mean or anything like that, usually when somebody wants info or feedback about something they are presently working on, they provide lots of pictures from multiple angles and distances. Otherwise we have no idea what you are seeing and working on. I don't know of any mind readers on these forums...well at least I am not one, I can barely read my own mind. So your camera is going to be your nest friend for this project. There are tons of expert folks on these forum that would love to assist you. We just need pictures and info about where you are presently with your boat project and then we can respond with options, suggestions and ideas. So post away, we are waiting. JMHO

From the last pictures you posted (post #30), I think you have more going on then some simple chipped out paint or gel coat. I see other issue on the bottom myself. But further pictures of the area in question AND other surrounding areas will be great. JMHO
 

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I honestly did not realize my pics were so bad and thought I had shot them further away and close up and I also shot a full video. I am running around to get this done among other things and shoot pics along the way. Last night was dark.Only got stripper off today to better reveal. Ok will get more
 

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boaterlady

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next step is elevating the damned thing and dry sanding yes with the safety gear. Likely will sand a bit today, do what I can before raising her. Made my own blocks with some stacked 4 x6 ers and liquid nails. Picking up some used boat stands, 2 for $100 today
 
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