Kerry vs Bush

billh1963

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BigDDL....if you notice I put deadbeat in quotes. It was a tongue in cheek way of indicating that the lower 50% of the taxpayers don't pay any taxes...hence the play on deadbeat.<br /><br />Before anyone else gets carried away let me set the record straight. From the age of 6 to 9 I lived on a farm in Eastern Kentucky where my parents tried to make a go of farming. We lived in an old cabin on the property dating from the turn of the century. The summers were nice but the winters were brutal. We literally got our water from a well and used an outhouse (no indoor plumbing). My mother would routinely sweep the snow off our beds before we went to sleep because snow would blow through the cracks in the walls. We would dress in front of the electric oven because the pot belly stove used to heat the cabin couldn't keep up with the drafts. Sound like something from the depression days?....try the early 1970's.<br /><br />We moved around after that and it wasn't much better. My teens were spent in a trailer in South Carolina which burned down in 1982 during my sophomore year of college...taking my parent's meager belongings.<br /><br />I tell you these stories not to extract sympathy but to prove that poverty certainly still exists but I don't have much sympathy for it. Yes, I am very well off by most standards but not that any of it was given to me. I put myself through college by working 80 hours/week during the summers (I still have the paystubs to prove it). <br /><br />I maintain that more taxation isn't the issue... proper fiscal management at a personal and government level is!<br /><br />One of my best friends (now in his late 30's) spent his teen years living in a horse stable eating 39 cents chicken livers every night for several months. He has never made a tremendous income but by saving money from his teens onward he now has enough that he can live comfortably for the rest of his life. If he can do it, ALMOST anyone can (I realize that there are exceptions). If more people listened to Dave Ramsey, Clark Howard, and others the poverty situation would improve dramatically...FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES!<br /><br />Yes, the wealthy man should have a 4 course meal. If you read the statistics the average millionaire is self-made. He deserves it.
 

Boomyal

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"We were set up to provide equal opportunity to wealth"<br /><br />Pointer94, I hope you meant 'to achieve wealth' not "to wealth"?
 

POINTER94

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Boomyal,<br /><br />Thanks for the pickup, I am trying to do this with the dog and a fiance sleeping on the couch next to me. You are right that's what I was trying to say. :)
 

Toad2001

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I've never eaten a chicken liver. Sounds like a fear factor stunt. :eek:
 

Ralph 123

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Howard Dean just laid the kiss of Death on old John. He said on Meet the Press that John was an internationalist just like him :D He said it several times. he was grinning when he said it. I think he knew exactly what he was doing ;)
 

plywoody

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What these "income tax" rates and tables do not consider is that income tax is just a small part of the taxes people pay. If payroll taxes are included, the tax "rate" on a percentage basis rises dramatically for the lower income people, and when all of the tax incentives and "loopholes" are considered, plus the cap on social security, the tax rate drops dramatically for the higher income people.<br /><br />There are times where that might well be warranted, but this "recovery" is driven by consumers, and giving the largest tax breaks to the wealthiest people who won't consume more because of it makes no sense, and simply drives the deficit up.<br /><br />You can add, if you wish, the devaluation of the dollar policy, which may help exports, and a few companies, but energy is tied to world markets, and currency values, which has the effect of raising energy prices for everyone. It works like a tax increase on consumers, the very people that we should be working to decrease taxes on to keep the economy moving forward.
 

miloman

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WOW I m glad that you American's are so passionate about your leaders. Will you guya all hurry up and make Canada the 51'st state already.
 

billh1963

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Miloman,<br />We don't want Canada...couldn't afford the National Health Plan! :)
 

mikeandronda

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On the other hand if you become a state it would be cheaper to fish in Canada :) :) :) :)
 

Toad2001

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miloman, what are you thinking...great neighbors, but...Our healthcare system, education, the list goes on and on. Lots of social programs sure, but you get what you pay for.<br />There's is a reason Canada has 3 cities in the world's top 10 list of most desirable cities in the world to live in, and also hold position 16. The US has none in the top 10. Honolulu, Hawaii rates as #21.
 

mikeandronda

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Ya toad but on the whole our country ROCKS.....We are the greatest country in the world and it is my guess your great interest in our country and its politics s because of a bit of jealousy. ;) :) ;) :)
 

Ralph 123

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Hey Toad, Canada wouldn't be what it is w/o the US. It is easy to cruise when you don't have to spend a nickle defending yourself or take a leadership position in the world. You would not have a single drug or piece of health care technology if it weren't for the US - you get the benefits of our sacrifices. You should pray Kerry does not get elected and turn protectionist.
 

Toad2001

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Troll alert! (Please relax.)<br />That wasn't a slam.<br />Canadians just don't want to be Americans no more than vice versa.<br />Ralph, As far as defense, yes our budget is relatively low, but our focus is primarily on peacekeeping initiatives. We do have military troops in Afghanistan and have joined the US in Haiti.<br />The reality is though, Canada wouldn't need as much of a defense budget if it wasn't as close as it is to the terrorist's global bulls eye. Canada also got on Osama's s#it list for helping the US out in Afghanistan. So while some of you folks are unappreciative, hopefully the majority understand the facts, and realize Canada's position.<br />PS-Do you realize how many Global drug co's are in Montreal and other major Canadian cities? More than you know about. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. We DO have electricity here and some of the most advanced laboratories in the world developing new disease and drug therapies.<br />Did you know that Insulin was invented in my hometown for example back in 1920 by Dr. Banting?
 

jimchere

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Toad and Ralph are both right in my opinion. Don't forget, that Canadians are serving and have been in Afghanistan since Operation Enduring Freedom first began. They have performed exceptionally well and are great allies in the field.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Originally posted by Ralph:<br />I love it Gauge! Send that link to the media....
Already done Ralph, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX<br />That is good. It will sell too.<br />You watch the bids come in from Mass. now.
 
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