Kerry vs Bush

[Toad2001]

Re: Kerry vs Bush

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp <br /><br />I thought we covered this off already.<br /><br />BTW-While Kerry was getting shot up in Vietnam in 1968 (to 1970),<br />This is what Bush was up to that same year:<br />On May 27, 1968, George Bush Jr. was 12 days away from losing his student draft deferment, at a time when 350 Americans a week were dying in combat. The National Guard, seen by many as the most respectable way to avoid Vietnam, had a huge waiting list - a year and a half in Texas, over 100,000 men nationwide. Yet Bush and his family friends pulled strings, and the young man was admitted the same day he applied, regardless of any waiting list.

 

[plywoody]

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Hmm...Soul winner!<br />The radical right wing Federalist Society is against Senator Kerry? Omigosh! I am shocked. I will have to rethink my position!<br /><br />Or that Kerry is against the missle defense shield? A program spending billions and billions of dollars on technology that cannot possibly work against a threat that no longer even exists? How irresponsible!<br /><br />Or the Patriot missle system--A system we are exporting all over the world that has proven doesn't work, and has succeeded mostly in shooting down friendly aircraft.<br /><br />Or as a veteran, He came back and followed his patriotic duty by protesting the Viet Nam war-a war costing many thousands of American lives in an ill concieved war that even Robert McNamara admitted in his book, and Johnson in his tapes, that it was known at the time as unwinnable.<br /><br />I hate to offer too much advice here, SW, but if your goal is to trash Kerry, it might be more effective if you come up with something bad about him!<br /><br />As far as flip-flopping on issues, all you have to do is to dig up footage of the last campaign to listen to Bush say he was not going to allow us to be the world's policemen--that he was not going to engage in nation building-etc. etc...

 

[Link]

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Hey Folks I haven't been here for a week..Toad. check your facts.. Kerry was in nam for 4 months..how do you get from 68-70 out of four months??? I say this out of respect for the people that were there for more than just four months! It's like saying Gore served in nam.. only a joke, I served under Gen WestMooreland a personel friend of Gore SR. He promised his friend Gore SR that his son Gore Jr would NOT come in harms way. I'm not saying it is wrong as I would protect my kids if I could also. <br />Here is a little Pol Humor I sent in to another post.. to get us on a brighter side..<br /><br />The Good thing about Senator John Kerry: If you don't like what he<br />said! Wait ten minutes and he will change his statement.<br />The Bad thing about President George Bush: If you don't like what he<br />said! Your Stuck with it. He meant it!<br />--Link<br /><br />President Bush and God where in a row boat talking, when a oar slipped<br />out and floated away. Sir says President Bush no problem I'll go get<br />it. Then he walks across the water, retrieves the oar and comes back<br />to the boat. Next day in all major News papers: George W Bush Can't SWIM!<br />--author unknown. Told to me by my mother in law in Dec 2003

 

[Carphunter]

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Lets see Toad, you don't like hunting, you approve of gay marriages, and you don't have strong Christian beliefs. ............. Hmmmm, a perfect description of a Democrat if I ever heard one. <br /><br />Bush gets my vote. He restored dignity to a position that the Dems made a mockery of for eight years.<br /><br />Peace.

 

[Carphunter]

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Sorry Mods, I know were not supposed to call people names, and I went and called Toad a .....................DEMOCRAT. That wasn't very nice at all. <br /><br />Man I crack me up.

 

[POINTER94]

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Do we live on the same planet???<br /><br />

As far as flip-flopping on issues, all you have to do is to dig up footage of the last campaign to listen to Bush say he was not going to allow us to be the world's policemen--that he was not going to engage in nation building-etc. etc...

Remember a little something that occurred on 9/11. I'll give you a hint, it went boom!!! I'll give you another hint, thousands of people died. I'll give you another hint, Americans were taken hostage on airplanes. I'll give you another hint, Clinton wished it would have happened during his tenure. One more hint, dispite an excellent response you don't want President Bush to talk about it.<br /><br />This comment is totally disingenuous.

 

[oddjob]

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The dems are imploding, The clintons pushed dean out because he was threatening there bid to run in 2008. They know they cant beat a incumbant, war time pres now, or a dem incumbant in 2008, so they have set the stage for the loser (kerry) to lose. All kerry can do is second guess and criticize. Just like his supporters. It is reminant of muslim extremists additude.<br /><br />I will respond to childish lies and attacks about the pres no more on this site. I find it silly to respond to bitter, miserable, people who ignor or avoid facts to justify there own means. <br /><br />Have great day

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /><br />The conservative way: Hey you hit me in the face, Wham!, how you like that, and as a matter of fact wham! See too it you never do it again!!

Guess Jesus was a Democrat.

 

[kcole683]

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I see everyone gets a little excited on this subject,I knew there would be alot of replies here.<br /><br />I still stick with the Democrat nominee.<br /><br />The only facts that I will go by are my personal situation and many others that are in my position that I know.<br />My income steadily raised during the Bill Clinton years. Unemployment steadily got lower during those years. After 12 years of Reagan Bush running up the National debt and deficits the American people finally got a break. The present president still beleives in the old trickle down theory that failed miserably in the Reagan Bush years None of it ever trickled down to the common working man.<br />Scince the Bush administration took over my income has steadily went down. The unemployment rate is at an all time high. Look at the real figures not the number of new claims. The reason the rate is quoted so low is that so many people ran out of unemployment benefits and are considered discouraged workers. The real figures are in the 9 to 10 % range.<br /> New jobs being created are statistically lower paying jobs. The jobs that were created in the last monthly report (21000) were all government jobs,none from the private sector. Sounds like big government to me that is one thing the republican party has always preached about.<br />Of course they want to eliminate overtime pay for millions of workers to, now that is good for the little people isn't it??? And lets reclassify the fast food jobs as manufacturing jobs so it looks like we created some manufacturing jobs. Next they will try to outscource those jobs too. I would gladly give any tax breaks back in trade for some good paying jobs.<br /><br />As for security and wars,I think you are always better to stay out of a war then starting one(Iraq). The war on terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq ,that was revenge for daddy Bush. Most all of the terrorists that were associated with the Trade Center attacks were from Saudi Arabia but we are still buddy buddy with them. If I was active duty in the armed forces now I would be hoping to get my job out sourced.<br /><br />As for religion and the government they should not even be anywhere related. This country was founded by a bunch of peoplo who wanted freedom of religion. The gay marriage issue is a joke,it all comes down to money. The Republicans are afraid they might have to give a gay persons signifigant other some benefits. I beleive in the seperation of church and state. Your lifestyle and relegion is your business not mine or anyone elses.<br /><br />As for the economy everybody should realize that raising the gas and diesel prices screws up the economy. Everything in this country is transported by truck or train so the prices go up. The oil companies have reported record profits but we still have to pay way to high prices. That is what happens when you have an oil man in the high office.<br /><br />As for the intelligence levels of the canidates I will be voting for the one who can speak well and carry on an intelligent conversation. If you've ever listened to Bush then you know I mean Mr. Kerry.<br />We all know that politicians are crooked but i beleive I will be voting for the lesser of to evils.<br /> The Dems. may want to control your guns but you will porobably have a job while they are doing it. I am an avid hunter and gun owner and don't like the stand on gun control but I beleive there are more important issues.<br />The military service records speak for themselves. John Kerry served in real active duty G W Bush played hide and seek in the National Gaurd.George he didnt serve enogh to qualify for his credited years was Missing for a long period of time and refused to take his physical but still got an Honorable discharge. If that was you or I we would not have got by with it.<br /><br />All I can say is get out and vote every election.<br />Happy boating to all

 

[mellowyellow]

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clinton was just lucky and was pres. during the dot<br />bomb bubble... I can't give him any credit for<br />the false economy boom that eventually burst.<br />I believe the economy will be the big debate in<br />this election. since I prefer tax cuts over benefit<br />programs, I will vote republican.<br />I like that GW is a man of action and not empty<br />threats/sanctions. he deserves another 4 yrs to<br />try to complete what he has started IMHO.<br /><br />as for Kerry... he must be a smart guy to marry<br />into the heinz fortune wonder if SHE has a<br />pre-nup?

 

[boatingfool]

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Posted by Toad:<br /><br />

Wouldn't this be an exciting board if EVERYONE was a Bush supporter? If everyone was Republican? If everyone held strong Christian beliefs? If everyone had a BIG gun, and hunted stinky animals who didn't see the bullet a' comin'? If everyone was sickened by gays, and deeply resented Gay Marriages? If everyone would constantly **** and moan about high taxes and welfare moms. If everyone beat their chests about what a great man Bush is, and hung on his every word. Wow, what a great place iboats would be.<br /><br />

Toad!! <br /><br />That describes me to a T!!<br /><br />Now if we can get the rest of the country to be as smart as me America would be a much better place!

 

[pjc]

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ya know, someone emailed me a photo of a younger John Kerry in mil. uniform. Alongside the Kerry photo was photo of Gomer Pyle.<br /><br />Striking resemblance....very curious IMO.

 

[gaugeguy]

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Well Gooooolllleeee , Gomer was a Marine, Kerry was a squidly.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by spark-chaser:<br />.<br />My income steadily raised during the Bill Clinton years. Unemployment steadily got lower during those years. After 12 years of Reagan Bush running up the National debt and deficits the American people finally got a break. The present president still beleives in the old trickle down theory that failed miserably in the Reagan Bush years None of it ever trickled down to the common working man.<br />Scince the Bush administration took over my income has steadily went down.

Amen, bro, my personal economy was never better than when Clinton was in the White House, but I believe it has more to do with balance of power, i.e., divided congress, and the president fighting with the senate. <br /><br />I just think that without the cooperation of congress, Clinton didn't have the power to screw things up. Well, he eventually found a way . And maybe he had too much ego to just do whatever his cronies told him to (meaning, who knows who's really calling the shots in the oval office).

 

[Raghauler]

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I am a Republican, although I vote for either party depending on the candidate. That said, I consider myself middle of the road, and the only reason why, after 20 years, I registered as a Republican a few years ago (from being a no-good independent) is due to the local politics where I live. Oh, and I am a proud member of that despicable NRA.<br /><br />So, while I agree with a lot of what Bush does, and have no respect for Bush haters who whine about elections won through the courts of Florida, I find a lot to be at fault with his administration, which can largely be summed up in one word: Ashcroft. Anyhoo, just when I'm thinking he's no longer the man, the Democrats put up a candidate so far to the left that middle-of-the-roaders like myself can't *bleeping* believe it. Kerry is a disaster worse than Hillary (almost). So, just when the Dems have a shot at my vote, they blow a gaping hole in it like the guns they try to ban. Bush is back on the mark. Am I thrilled? no. Am I happy? you betcha.<br />

 

[JoeW]

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RH,<br />I agree 100%. I'll admit that I have voted non-republican in the past. But these two candidates, Bush & Kerry, are so far from each other that I have to jump on the bandwagon to which I'm most comfortable, Bush. Is he perfect? Not by a long shot. I don't hear any plans or solutions comming from Kerry, only anti-Bush rhetoric. All I hear is "Bush is evil. Did I mention I'm a war hero?"

 

[Toad2001]

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Link,<br />I don't know exactly when Kerry entered service in Vietnam, but apparently John Kerry was wounded in his first significant combat action, when he volunteered for a special mission on 2 December 1968.<br />He received an honorable discharge on 3 January 1970

 

[boatingfool]

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So what????<br /><br />The hypocricy is overwelming!!!!!!!<br /><br />For the 8 years we had a draft dodger in the white house who dragged our country deeper and deeper into moral decay with every waking hour. Democrats jumped up and down and insisted that military service of a president was irrelivent. Now they have someone who actualy served in vietnam so they are beating up on Bush for not going??? What happened to it being irrelivent when Clinton was in office??<br /><br />Hello...... Anyone Home????

 

[gaugeguy]

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Yep, and he was back at his post on 3Dec68 with his band-aid on. He requested discharge because he was "wounded" three times.

 

[mellowyellow]

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what happens in 2005 is more important than what<br />happened in 1968 right?....