kenimpzoom
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Re: Kenimpzoom's troll of the week-Unions
Yea, Nissan has had some hard times.<br /><br />Ken
Yea, Nissan has had some hard times.<br /><br />Ken
Mate, you'd love what our government is about to do to us. Think of the rough end of rooting pineapples being shoved up back passages with the pineapple in its attack position, with no anaesthetic.<br /><br />Where is the moral imperative that employers are entitled to set the pay and workers must accept it? <br /><br />Where is the requirement that employers are superior to employees?<br /><br />Where is the moral authority for employers' desires for profit overriding employees' desires for just rewards for a living wage?<br /><br />In a free market in a fair society, aren't the interests of employers and employees equal? <br /><br />If you're in the market for a car, do you just walk in and pay the sticker price? Or try for a better deal? The seller will always try to meet you to get a sale. <br /><br />But if you're the prospective secretary in the dealership, you're supposed to accept whatever the employer sets your price at when you're the one who is the seller of your labour? <br /><br />Why can't you as the employee set the price of what you have to sell, being your labour, just like the cars which are the stock in the dealership you're looking to work in?<br /><br />Ford sets the factory price for its cars, regardless of the true cost of production, but unions aren't allowed to set the price of labour for the people who make the cars, regardless of the true cost of their living?<br /><br />P.S. The execs only get gold plated toilets by screwing the workers. The funds don't come out of thin air. It didn't impress me when I was cleaning the exec toilets by pushing their over-fed turds down the S-bend with my bare hands that I had been instructed not to use their toilets. I was, however, permitted to pi$$ in the proles' toilets which I also cleaned, although to a lesser standard. I'd like to say that I shat in the exec toilets in defiance of my instructions, but I couldn't because I needed the money and couldn't afford to. Despite the fact that I reckon my turds were as good as the execs' turds, but obviously the rest of the world thinks that's there's something special about the execs that entitles them to drop their turds in special places becuase their **** is better than my ****. The same way that if the bird flu hits your kids and mine will die long before theirs because the top dogs will get the vaccine etc first. If you think that's unfair, why do you think it's fair that the same people can tell you what your labour is worth because they're apparently better than you?
),<br /><br />It seems like there are some contradictions in there. Are you saying that employers and employess should negotiate independently of unions? This I totally agree with, but it sounds like you don't trust employers at all. Not clear to me . . . <br /><br />Good people will leave a bad employer if conditions suck and bad people will stay and make crappy cars. Isn't this how it should work? Yes, some people will get lost in the middle, but financial equality for everyone is a flawed myth of Marxism, no?
<br /><br />Aw, now look what you gone and done: now I'll have to start ranting about how cruddy renaults and the Frenchies are 
Personally, I would start looking for a job quick. I dont need anyone to do my dealings, I do everything for myself.<br /><br />It happened before my time, in 1984. Rig count went from around 4000 to 1000.<br /><br />Most people were laid off, many took huge paycuts.<br /><br />Still no unions.<br /><br />Safety is actually outstanding in the oilfield, due to pressures from the major operators. If we are the cheapest, and have the best product, but our safety record is bad, we dont get the job PEROID.<br /><br /><br />Ken