Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

[kfa4303]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Hi nouseforaname. The guys are right. You can't/don't need to remove the drive shaft to replace the gear oil. You only need 3 things really; a large flat head screwdriver, a bottle of TCW 80w-90 gear oil and a pump. IMPORTANT: do NOT remove any philips head screws from your lower unit when changing the oil! You will only need to remove two FLAT HEAD screws; a lower one labeled DRAIN and an upper one labeled VENT. They may be hard to read, if there's lots of old paint on the leg, but they are labeled. The drain screw in my '66 33 hp is on the very botto/underside of the gear case and the vent screw is above it of the left side of the motor.

Here are a couple links to what you want to look for. There are many brands of each, of course, but the important part is that the oil is for Marine use and is 80w-90. The pump can probably be found right next to the oil, of not they're available at any auto parts store.

Here are some links on what to look for. I'm not endorsing any of these sites, these are just images of what you'll need.

Oil: http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=8087207

Pump: http://www.rib-shop.com/product.asp?P_ID=453

Here's a link to a video showing how to change the lower unit oil too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYroHtSheQ


These should get you off to a good start. Keep us posted.

 

[nouseforaname]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Thanks for the info guys..
I will get hold of a pump to pump it up, just the only one i could find was $280. Dont really have the money to spend that on a pump. ill just have to rig on up, or keep looking around.. your right im sure someone sells a pump.. like you guys said why turn a easy job into a hard job
cheers nouse

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

This is what you need:
http://www.iboats.com/Lubrimatic-Oi...0830947--**********.609349637--view_id.187351

All of $11.50

 

[boobie]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Two things. 1.Get a new impeller as those blades have taken a set 'cause the blades should be straight out if the impeller was any good. 2. Don't reverse the impeller 'cause you're just asking for probs. Run them backwards from the set they are now in and they will break in a very short time. Been there and done that.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Two things. 1.Get a new impeller as those blades have taken a set 'cause the blades should be straight out if the impeller was any good. 2. Don't reverse the impeller 'cause you're just asking for probs. Run them backwards from the set they are now in and they will break in a very short time. Been there and done that.

Really? You've reversed em and had em break? Not me. I always make sure they're real pliable, no cracks, then reverse em and have never had any break (to this point).

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Thanks for the info guys..
I will get hold of a pump to pump it up, just the only one i could find was $280. Dont really have the money to spend that on a pump. ill just have to rig on up, or keep looking around.. your right im sure someone sells a pump.. like you guys said why turn a easy job into a hard job
cheers nouse

$280??? Gold plated? Diamond plunger? I bought one a few months ago for $6 I think it was! Keep looking. Discount auto stores are best.

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Really? You've reversed em and had em break? Not me. I always make sure they're real pliable, no cracks, then reverse em and have never had any break (to this point).

When I used to run my motors alot (pretty much every day), I'd reverse them. I don't think I'd reverse an old one that's been setting for a long time since it might be brittle. Plus if I'm taking the lower end and pump housing off, I'm replacing it these days.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

I find it's not that hard to check if they're brittle or not. Just flex and check for cracks and softness etc. They can be set but still be soft and pliable. Those are the ones I reverse.

 

[boobie]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Yes, when the customer was to cheap to put in an new one. Then he'd be back a month or so later complaining about over heat again. If I remember right I think they told us in the OMC service schools never to reverse them as they had taken a set.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

I'm sure they did! They wanted to sell more impellers! But I do realize it is the prudent thing to do. But as I have around 70 engines or so and I'm always trying to get one or another running, I do cut some corners. And as mentioned before, I have never had a cooling related engine failure so I think my judgement in which to use and which to not use has proven pretty good so far. But for new folks reading this thread, you should replace the impeller!

 

[boobie]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Well Samo, I guess you got me. I've only been in this business for 45 years and still am a certified tech.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

As a tech I would always replace the impeller as that's what you're paid to do. And I sure wouldn't want em coming back. But as a backyard mechanic I have no problem using them for their full life

 

[boobie]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

As a back yard mechanic you have plenty of time if the impeller fails to replace it. My old Mentor taught me years ago to do it right the first time so you wouldn't have to do it over again. I've followed his advice over the years and it seems he wasn't wrong. I just hate come backs and it's not good for your reputation either.

 

[samo_ott]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Exactly. But in my 10 years or so of reversing them I have never had one fail on me. So I like my odds.

 

[boobie]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

"Different strokes for different folks".

 

[nouseforaname]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Orite thought would be time for an update..

ok found myself a oil pump for $20 at the auto shop, no way was i payin $280..

my problem is now i was checking the spark and was getting none.. the leads have cuts/splits in them, so i think i will have to change the leads coils and points..
ive never taken the flywheel off on a outboard before so any help will be appreciated..

i don't have myself a tester so ill have to invest in one before i go any further with this.
thanks for all the help once again cheers nouse

 

[kfa4303]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Hi nouse. Don't be affraid about pulling the flywhell. It's not that bad, but you wil need a few tools you probably don't have. Read all 4 parts of this link carefully! It will walk you through the basics of how to use to flywheel puller and tons of other great stuff for your motor. Don't get discouraged if the flywheel is stubborn. It will come off....eventually Keep us posted.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/24/index.cfm

As for the tools:

First, you'll need a Harmonic Balancer Puller (a.k.a. Flywheel Puller). You can rent them from most auto parts stores, but it's worth it buy one. They're about $15-20 and look someihting like this. Some kits come with fewer bolts and that's fine.

http://www.homier.com/media/catalog...6319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/0/5/05019_1.jpg

You'll also need to get at least 3, GRADE-8 (1/4-20 x 2.5'') bolts. They screw inot the top of the flywheel. They bolts that come in the kit, while they may be the right size, aren't strong enough. You can get a couple pairs of these bolts from Lowes/Home Depot for about $2 a pair. They look like this.

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mL1BMfCZeD3Wm7JnFO6r34Q/140.jpg

You'll need a 1" socket to remove the flywheel nut too, which means if you're like me you'll need an adapter to convert a regular 3/8" socket to 1/2" so you can then use the 1" socket. Other than that there aren't any real special tools. Once you get the flywheel off, let us know and we'll walk you throught how to tune up the magneto, or you can just check the archives there are tons of posts here in the forums. Good luck.

 

[nouseforaname]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Hi nouse. Don't be affraid about pulling the flywhell. It's not that bad, but you wil need a few tools you probably don't have. Read all 4 parts of this link carefully! It will walk you through the basics of how to use to flywheel puller and tons of other great stuff for your motor. Don't get discouraged if the flywheel is stubborn. It will come off....eventually Keep us posted.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/24/index.cfm

As for the tools:

First, you'll need a Harmonic Balancer Puller (a.k.a. Flywheel Puller). You can rent them from most auto parts stores, but it's worth it buy one. They're about $15-20 and look someihting like this. Some kits come with fewer bolts and that's fine.

http://www.homier.com/media/catalog...6319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/0/5/05019_1.jpg

You'll also need to get at least 3, GRADE-8 (1/4-20 x 2.5'') bolts. They screw inot the top of the flywheel. They bolts that come in the kit, while they may be the right size, aren't strong enough. You can get a couple pairs of these bolts from Lowes/Home Depot for about $2 a pair. They look like this.

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mL1BMfCZeD3Wm7JnFO6r34Q/140.jpg

You'll need a 1" socket to remove the flywheel nut too, which means if you're like me you'll need an adapter to convert a regular 3/8" socket to 1/2" so you can then use the 1" socket. Other than that there aren't any real special tools. Once you get the flywheel off, let us know and we'll walk you throught how to tune up the magneto, or you can just check the archives there are tons of posts here in the forums. Good luck.

thanks for that kfa4303, i got myself a a harmonic balancer puller just working out on how to use it, ive been looking for some illustrated pictures on how to use one but cannot find one! does anybody know of where to find one?

 

[kfa4303]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Hello again nouse. Here's a cuple great links that can walk you through an entire tune up of your motor from top to bottom and a picture of how the harmonic balancer is used. There are also lots of posts here in the forums.

http://www.shareaproject.com/tutorialImages/2525.jpg

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/24/index.cfm

http://www.shareaproject.com/pages/projectTut,p,182,00.html


One tricky thing you will need to figure out is a way to keep your flywheel from rotating as you tighten/loosen the flywheel nut (the big 1" nut in the center there). If the motor was a bit smaller, you could use a $7, rubber strap wrench, but it's too big for that so I made my own strap whrench by using a long nylon strap that is part of a ratchet strap set I use on my canoe. You can attach the S-hook which is swen into one end of the strap to the lifting eye on your motor, then wrap the length of the strap around the perimeter of the flywheel such that the strap tightens as you tighten/loosen the flywheel nut. I'll take a pic tomorrow to show what I mean. You can also use the technique in the Duckworks link I included in which the author uses a large screwdriver to prevent the flywheel from rotating.
One tip: Be sure you don't thread the 3 grade 8 bolts for the harmonic balancer too far into the flywheel. 7/16" is all they should go in, no more. To be sure, measure 7/16" from the bottom of the bolt then wrap a piece of tape above it around the bolts so you can tell when you've gone in the correct distance. The flywheel nut may be a @#%$^ to get off, but it will come loose, eventually. Use the longest ratchet you have so you can get as much torque as possible. If you have a breaker bar or impact wrench that's even better. I have to insert the handle of my ratchet in to the end of a pipe to extend the length of my ratchet's handle, but it works. Take a look at the links above to get started and I'll post some pics of how I get my flywheel off tomorrow. Removing the flywheel is the only annoying part. Once it's off the rest is super quick and easy and putting it back on is a snap too. You may hear/read some horror stories about people struggling with getting flywheels off, but not to worry it can be done. Good luck!

 

[levi_tsk]

Re: Johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

sometimes you might need to turn the puller a bit then hold up on the flywheel and give the puller a tap downwards with a hammer then tighten up some more hold on to the flywheel as you tighten mine jumped 4 inches high and if i hadnt had my hand on it it wouldve hit the dirt possibly breaking it