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knobby

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sounds like Bush needs all the help he can get and that's one way to get it.
 

POINTER94

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Someone help me out, what exactly is the advantage of being a citizen?
 

SlowlySinking

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"what exactly is the advantage of being a citizen?"<br /><br />You get to work and pay taxes so the illegals can put thier kids in school for free and that's just the tip of the freebie iceberg. At the rate out stupid politicians are giving America away maybe Americans should move to some third world country, become a citizen and then sneak back into the USA and enjoy the good life without paying for it or even having to send your sons/daughters to Iraq, the problem is pretty soon there won't be anyone paying taxes. What Jeb is proving is that politicians will do ANYTHING to get the votes, and remember, they aren't paying for it, your tax dollars are.
 

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You get to pay taxes & fees. <br />You have to have insurance for your car. <br />You get to collect social security(like their will be any in 20 years).<br />I'm sure there are a few more that aren't coming to mind.<br /> <br />Although I'm still proud to say I'm an American & wouldn't have it any other way. Their is a good reason evrybody wants to come here.
 

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The major concern I have is the security ramafications this is going to have on us. This also is pretty much saying that they are allowed to circumvent the border checks. So why have a border guard at all then? Mexico is a country that sees alot of our south west as still thiers anyway. Yea they got a raw deal especially in Calipornia, but that doesn't mean we let them walk all over our laws.<br /><br />Alot of these people send money home to their familys still south of the border. At least we think that is who it's going to. In fact a study showed that Mexico has the highest amount of money from America than any other. Why? What are they doing with it? Are they going to want other laws passed in order to get more money? Are they going to want laws passed to get less security at the borders?<br /><br />There are a ton of questions that come to mind. I see a ton of exploitable loop holes these people will use once over here. Is this a safe practice of ours?
 

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You get to vote, provided you aren't a Felon.<br /><br />That's good enough for me.
 

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And me too. I voted for Jeb and plan on doing so again. He hit the ground running ,taking action on those things he campaigned on (education being key). I do not agree with many of his actions,and am actively fighting his porposals in some areas (envirnmental to give a hint). But the man does what he says he will, is honest to a fault, and open to debate and critisism allways.<br />I guess that type of integrity runs in the family.<br />As for his immiigration policies, I am against them in total also. but it's not as bad as the article claims (which has a clear agenda).<br />Amoung his sucesses is the state's education system. He is seeing to it that our schools arfe no9 longer turning out illiterate criminals. That in itself gives our state a great potential for a bright future.
 

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Shame... Jeb is a total failure, and is really a closet liberal ya know....<br /><br />Jeb has done to this state exactly what his brother has done to the rest of the US... Put the state deep into debt... When Jeb came to office, the state of florida had a surplus thanks in part to former Governor Lawton Chiles.... In typical fashion, Jeb quickly spent that surplus, and created a huge deficit.... <br /><br />Hey 12Footer.. Before you vote for Jeb again, have a look into the Scripps deal here in PB county....
 

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Jeb is not a total failure. No one is a "total failure," everyone does something right. Even me. Jeb has done a lot to make schools responsible for their performance, and it is working. Now kids have to learn stuff or they don't get promoted to the next grade. Since Jeb began his education initiatives the number of High School graduates that couldn't read or do math dropped to just about zip. Up here the number of high school drop outs has shot up, but you can't force someone to learn if they are dead set against it. Plus, most of the drop outs are dropping back in to adult school and junior colleges within a year or so of quitting school and realizing that it ain't cool to be an ignorant unemployable dope.<br /><br />Another thing Jeb is doing right is his fight to restore the Everglades.<br /><br />Also, by issuing drivers licenses to the illegal aliens, there are several benefits. Now they are legal to drive so they must get insurance, a tag, registration etc. This will generate a little revenue, plus it's better for everyone if they are insured. Also, they now have a state issued id, with an address on it, so the state can monitor them, see where they are, how many there are, and try to determine what kind of impact they are having on the state.<br /><br />Up here there are lots of Mexicans, and for the most part they are the hardest workers around, plus they are friendly although they keep to themselves and stick together. I like them and respect them, they work hard and just want the same we want out of life. The difference is they are willing to bust their rear ends to get it.
 

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"Another thing Jeb is doing right is his fight to restore the Everglades.".<br /><br />Uhhhh? Nope... He caved in under the pressure from the sugar farmers....
 

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Originally posted by snapperbait:<br /> <br /><br />Hey 12Footer.. Before you vote for Jeb again, have a look into the Scripps deal here in PB county....
MIKE BRANOM<br /><br />Associated Press<br /><br /><br />ORLANDO, Fla. - Although Scripps Research Institute chose Palm Beach County as the site to build its second biomedical research facility, all of Florida also will reap the dividends, representatives of Scripps and the governor's office said Tuesday.<br /><br />Leaders from central Florida's business, research, education and economic development communities, plus a handful of lawmakers, were told that partnerships across the state would soon follow the arrival of the country's leading nonprofit biomedical research institute.<br /><br />"Nobody has a monopoly on good ideas," said Arnold LaGuardia, Scripps' executive vice president. "And we intend to pick your brains."<br /><br />Scripps officials noted the cluster of jobs created around their original campus near San Diego, Calif.<br /><br />State leaders say they expect Scripps to help create 6,500 jobs over the next 15 years.<br /><br />Gov. Jeb Bush said the institute's facility expected to be built in northern Palm Beach County should generate $1.6 billion in additional income and boost the state's gross domestic product by $3.3 billion over the next 15 years.<br /><br />The institute, based in the San Diego suburb of La Jolla, is known for groundbreaking work in leukemia, ovarian cancer, Lou Gehrig's disease, Alzheimer's disease and AIDS. It has become internationally recognized for research into immunology, biology, chemistry, neuroscience, autoimmune and cardiovascular diseases and synthetic vaccine development.<br /><br />Scripps' roundtable discussion with the central Florida interests was the research institute's first visit outside South Florida since last week's announcement that Scripps was opening a new facility.<br /><br />The roadshow, a joint production between Scripps and the state's Office of Tourism, Trade, and Economic Development, continues this week in Tampa, Gainesville, Jacksonville and Pensacola.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Palm Beach County commissioners agreed Tuesday to invest up to $200 million to help bring the Scripps Research Institute here, with the money paying for a temporary biomedical research site, land and buildings.<br /><br />The county will pay for the deal by issuing revenue bonds, which are repaid by county revenue other than property taxes.<br /><br />Bush and Scripps officials wanted the commission's commitment as they head into a special legislative session Monday. Bush will ask lawmakers to approve spending an additional $310 million on the deal in the session.<br /><br />Most commissioners praised the effort, and said it would help Palm Beach County overcome its dependence on the tourism and agriculture industries.<br /><br />Addie Greene, the only commissioner to vote against the proposal, said she thought the requested subsidies from county taxpayers were too great for the promised jobs.<br /><br />Central Florida finished behind West Palm Beach County in wooing Scripps, although the bidders didn't know who actually was the biosciences firm interested in expanding in Florida.<br /><br />At Tuesday's meeting, representatives from the University of Central Florida and Orange County admitted to their disappointment, but vowed to work with Scripps.<br /><br />"You win some, you lose some," said George Rodon, Director of Economic Trade and Tourism Development for Orange County. "But this is good for the state of Florida."<br /><br />Scripps, established in 1924 through a gift from philanthropist Ellen Browning Scripps, employs 2,900 people in La Jolla and is the largest institute funded by the National Institutes of Health. It is the home of three Nobel laureates.<br /><br /><br />Well allrighy then... sounds like a great investment to me so far (unless you know something I don't).<br />As fot Evergaldes restoration, you're on the same page as me. He caved to everyone (both wacko environmentalists and big sugar), and that had to allmost impossible to pull-off. But whichever side of this boondogle you are for, the state is taking it in the end from the feds.<br />But the tax level has yet to reflect any of the bad stuff it should,given the rate of deficits you report. so on that, I'd have to call you on. (again, unless you can show me otherwise).
 

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I'll have to admit, that sounds like a pretty good deal for PBC.
 

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Hey! Lets all move to Florida! <br /><br /> I suppose the county and state should invest millions of tax payer dollars in my business too?.. Wrong! "hey.. give me a few million, maybe i'll put a few folks to work"...<br /><br />Jeb inspired the state legislature to hand out $310 million to bring scripps here, and i'd be willing to bet that the 310million is just the tip of the iceburg... <br /><br />PBC commisioners have already handed out $200 million, and they are talking about another $200 million (may have already done it)... I'd be willing to bet that before this is all said and done, taxpayers in the state of florida will have shelled out well over a billion dollars just on scripps alone, infrastructure to support the "expected" growth not included.... This is spending money that we do not have... This is tax money that will, in all likelyhood, never be reclaimed from the jobs (tax base) it's supposed to create..<br /><br />6500 jobs?.. nopers... The contract states that only 545 jobs in the first seven years, with "incentives" to create more... Thats all... <br /><br />Now, Florida Atlantic University stands to make out ggod on the deal, which is fine... County is giving them $12 million toward construction of temporary facilities for scripps... FAU will get the temporary building thats being built for scripps at the Jupiter FAU campus once the perminate facilities are built on the old Mecca farms (swampland) site..... The catch is, FAU must pay back $10 million to the county once scripps moves from the temp site at the Jupiter campus...<br /><br /><br />Who will benefit from all this? Jeb, his developer buddies, Senators, Representatives, and my fine bunch of county comissioners, thats who... These people have the land grabbing developers in their back pockets, except for Commisioner Ms. Addie Greene who tells it like it is.....<br /><br />When you boil off all the BS, the deal ain't so sweet..... ;)
 

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Yes, but are Jeb's developer buddies hiring?<br />If it benifits the economy, let's do it.<br />So far I haven't seen anyone with a better plan, but will keep an open mind until election day.
 

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Well, here is the thing. If they were honest people, then why didn't they do the honest thing and go through the immigration office? They do it to get tax free money. Even if it is a little bit of money, it's more than they are getting south of our borders.<br /><br />I see the whole issue as a security concern. I mean everyone thought the middle easterners were hard working honest people as well. Yes, the terrorist are from the extremeist groups. However, why do we need to be so friendly and open to a group which we can't tell one from the other? What about officials in Mexico giving rewards to those that bag an INS agent? What's up with that?
 

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Also, by issuing drivers licenses to the illegal aliens, there are several benefits. Now they are legal to drive so they must get insurance, a tag, registration etc. This will generate a little revenue, plus it's better for everyone if they are insured. Also, they now have a state issued id, with an address on it, so the state can monitor them, see where they are, how many there are, and try to determine what kind of impact they are having on the state.<br /><br />
You know what? As much as I hate to say it that makes since.
 

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Originally posted by snapperbait:<br /> Shame... Jeb is a total failure, and is really a closet liberal ya know....<br /><br />Jeb has done to this state exactly what his brother has done to the rest of the US... Put the state deep into debt... When Jeb came to office, the state of florida had a surplus thanks in part to former Governor Lawton Chiles.... In typical fashion, Jeb quickly spent that surplus, and created a huge deficit.... <br /><br />Hey 12Footer.. Before you vote for Jeb again, have a look into the Scripps deal here in PB county....
Well now, if'n you be wantin a slurpus, all you and your pals gotta do is direct deposit what you think you can do without to the Florida Revenue dept. Have them take it right out of your pay...go ahead snapper its YOUR money, spend it as you like. Same goes for rest of the folks in the USA that are hooked on a rediculous revisionist talking point spouted by the left and the willing media. Bunch of bullhockey. <br /><br />Glad to see Floridian youth getting an education instead of parisites getting a handout. Hope they will no the difference between a leader, a liar, and mocking bird.
 

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Scripps Economic benefits.. Short term, perhaps some small economic benefits which would mostly be realized in the construction areas, but in the long term I believe benefits will be little if any... Look for yourself at how many "hi tech" jobs have gone poof in south florida... Pratt Whitney, IBM, Motarola, just to name a few who laid off gobs of folks who had good jobs in "high tech" fields... <br /><br />12Footer.. You seem concerned about the Everglades, so am I... Any more growth, kiss the Glades goodbye.. Do you realize how much of the Everglades that has already been filled in to build homes, roads, shopping centers? With economic growth, your going to get more growth from other companies wanting in on the action which leads too more homes, roads, and shopping centers to support all those who move down from "up north" that seek these jobs in high tech fields.. The problem is that we're running out of dry ground to build on.. Heck, we can't keep the existing infrastructure up too snuff, let alone add more too it...<br /><br /> I have not been to the west coast in quite some time, so I don't know if their building east into the swamps, but they keep pushing west out into the swamps on the east coast... Heck, anything south of the "big O" and the loxahatchee river, and west of about I-95 is in the Everglades, if you want to get technical about it.. Funny how folks get down right pi$$ed when ya tell em that their um-teen million dollar home is built on swampland. :) .. One day in the future, after they've gone ahead and filled in the Everglades and gone ahead and paved the whole damn state from Orlando south too Flamingo, maybe we'll meet out in the middle of what was the Glades... I can see it...<br /><br />All in all, it's too bad Orlando did'nt get the deal.. Scripps would fit right in with the evil empire that is Disney, MGM, Universal, Sea World... Oh well.. So you see why I feel this growth in S. Florida ain't so hot?...<br /><br />Oddjob..
Bunch of bullhockey.
Hummm? So a balanced budget is just tooooooo much to ask from our politicians?..... Glad you cleared that up for me... :rolleyes: <br /><br />As for Floridas youth getting an education instead of them being parasites getting a handout, well, thats highly debatable....
 

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Snapper I agree with you about the stituation of the Everglades....But you cant put the blame on Bush if you serious. Unfortunatly, development IS the economy in Florida. The cities and countys commishners will rezone protected land to generate property taxes ot develope the citys and on and on. I've been here watching it unfold for 14 years. These politicians just pass on the same method to the next do gooder in line. <br />They rarely get re-elected cause they can't possibly please both the developers and the public at the same time..<br /><br />BTW Naples is booming...Big time
 
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