Israel Lebanon

[QC]

Re: Israel Lebanon

There is no such thing as "moral equivalency" in my opinion.

But that's the problem. It matters . . .

 

[metricscaler@]

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Bringing an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land is as much a prerequisite for peace in the Middle East as is the Palestinian recognition of Israel.
The 35-year occupation of the Palestinians is an enormous tragedy, and it is largely being financed by the US taxpayer. It is being perpetuated largely because the US mainstream media continues to maximize attention to Israel’s grievances while marginalizing the viewpoints of the Palestinians. For the occupation to end it will be necessary for the conquered and nearly vanquished to have the same spotlight for their grievances as their tormentors have had for decades.
Sharon’s infamous complicity in the Sabra and Shatila massacres of Palestinian civilians, where thousands were killed an internationally condemned atrocity, which rivaled the 9/11/01 attacks in bloodshed: The Post gave it one sentence, and the New York Times only two.

 

[Kiwi Phil]

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I keep asking myself the question, why is it, throughout history, so many peoples/countries of this world have had an absolute hatred of the Jews, to the extent they wish to exterminate them right down to the last man/woman/child.
I am really please Israel is not our neighbour.
I doubt there will be a country called Israel by the end of this Centuary.
I have no love nor concern for the Arab world.
I do hope your nephews stay safe Rolmops.
Cheers
Phillip

 

[KaGee]

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I must say, the Kamikaze Drone is an interesting twist.

Fox News is reporting that it was a SILKWORM missle, not a drone, as was originally reported. Most likely supplied from Iran.

 

[rolmops]

Re: Israel Lebanon

We have come to a totally changed situation.
Until now,there was a very limited and local conflict on the border that that had a few flare ups every so often.Now the missiles being used,attack roughly a quarter of Israel and they attack jewish and arab towns indiscriminately.
Hisbollah acts as if it is the sovereign power in Lebanon while the central government is completely ignored.
Israel is now in an open war with a very well organized and trained army of religious fanantics that has defacto taken over a country.
This is no longer a local conflict.This is a terror organisation openly challenging an independent country,while trying to drag other nations in the area into making a stand for or against orthodox islam.

 

[KaGee]

Re: Israel Lebanon

It is now being reported that the SILKWORM missle attack had to have been carried out by Iranians. It is believed that there are several hundred Revolutionary Guard within Lebanon.

This is really Iran doing this under the cloak of Hezbolah.

 

[OLDSPUD]

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Not that I like war and such, but the world today is better than any movie. It is almost like I can't wait to see what happens next.

There are plenty of powder kegs out there, I think Iran is trying to test the waters and flex its muscle at the same time.

One the downside is all the death and destruction to all those people is terrible. I love america.

My bet is oil futures will skyrocket, gas will take another hike.

Here in Utah, that isn't all bad, tons of oil shale and untapped oil deposites are making this state go crazy, real estate has doubled, and business has doubled.

My 19 yr old son is checking out the military, he scares me, he could be a natural at war. Excellent marksmanship pistol or AR-15 and is fearless around guns.

This middle east thing has been brewing since the beginning, Isreal has been in the middle of it for thousands of years and nothing has changed.

Can't do much but watch the show.

Spud

 

[samsam]

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We beat Iraq in a number of days. Twice.

Mission accomplished? So how come we're still there? Sam

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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There are no end to wars, its a matter of containment.
We are still battling with remnants of WW1, which was the sparked by the greviances of a prior conflict, the episode of human tragedies must go on, for we are les miserables of planet earth.

 

[samsam]

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I never understood how so much hate can be centered around the birthplace of religion.
Ken

I find it amazing that it is the birthplace of civililization and yet people still live in mud huts, can't read or write, treat women as a different species and believe in things like 72 virgins awaiting them in heaven. Some areas of the world along with their populations need to go, they've had their chance to 'develop ' and 'prove' themselves, but time's up, the only thing that they seem to have shown is they are a degenerate branch of human geneology and can only cause trouble and problems for the rest. And look at the birth place of the human race itself, Africa. What a shithole. And after how many milleniums? It's time to set the supposed 'Rapture' train in motion and punch some tickets. Sam

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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I never understood how so much hate can be centered around the birthplace of religion.
Ken

I find it amazing that it is the birthplace of civililization and yet people still live in mud huts, can't read or write, treat women as a different species and believe in things like 72 virgins awaiting them in heaven. Some areas of the world along with their populations need to go, they've had their chance to 'develop ' and 'prove' themselves, but time's up, the only thing that they seem to have shown is they are a degenerate branch of human geneology and can only cause trouble and problems for the rest. And look at the birth place of the human race itself, Africa. What a shithole. And after how many milleniums? It's time to set the supposed 'Rapture' train in motion and punch some tickets. Sam

Perhaps you feel that it is time to force extinction upon the lesser developed of our specie huh?

 

[QC]

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metricscaler,

You are precisely my fear. That there is no understanding of the difference between defending yourself while surrounded by groups that want every last one of you destroyed and their acts to destroy you. You need to back up and recognise the difference.

Again, I ask a couple of questions: If the Israelis stop defending themselves will attacks on them cease? Or if those intent on destroying Israel stopped terror strikes and other attacks, would Israel relax? If these questions do not put this issue into focus then you are too far gone for help.

Yes, I believe strongly that Israel is in a much higher moral position, that statement will freak you out and confirm your inability to recognise right from wrong.

 

[Bob_VT]

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If everyone put down the weapons and walked away the violence would be back in less than a week. Israel is the bigger kid who has tolerated quite a bit. I guess enough is enough and a more open action was called for.

Any war and all wars are nothing but real estate disputes and this battle has a long history.

 

[--GQ--]

Re: Israel Lebanon

metricscaler,

You are precisely my fear. That there is no understanding of the difference between defending yourself while surrounded by groups that want every last one of you destroyed and their acts to destroy you. You need to back up and recognise the difference.

Again, I ask a couple of questions: If the Israelis stop defending themselves will attacks on them cease? Or if those intent on destroying Israel stopped terror strikes and other attacks, would Israel relax? If these questions do not put this issue into focus then you are too far gone for help.

Yes, I believe strongly that Israel is in a much higher moral position, that statement will freak you out and confirm your inability to recognise right from wrong.

QC, the situation there is more complex than a couple "question/answer".
I ask you, what is the one issue both sides can not agree on? If you can find a solution; conflict over.

 

[tomatolord]

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There is no issue both sides can agree on.

1 side israel wants to be left alone
1 side palestine wants to poke israel.

This is like two kids in the back seat of a car for an 8 hour ride. It will be real ugly real quick and not end until the ride is over.

The one thing I always do is place different words into an argument and see if it still holds water.

mexico=palestine
us=israel.

If mexico sent 1 rocket over the border we would invade

Germany=israel
russia=palestine

1 rocket into germany from russia - all out war.

I was at a company in FL and the African guy I was talking to had a british accent, I asked him where he was from.

In a smart alec tone he said "a former british colony" and I responded me too! He looked at me flabbergasted and I said the US was a former british colony, we were just the 1st to kick them out. You just took longer!

Is israel a state, no more then if you ask the american indians if the US is a state, or any other country.

I do not think it will be all out war, the Israeli's army is vastly superior to these guys. They can put far more pressure on Palestine then palestine can put on israel.

Tlord!

 

[PW2]

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You are not going to solve this militarily. You are probably not going to solve this any other way either, but hopefully there will be fewer killed.

We have to get back to trying to broker some sort truce over there. Disengaging is disasterous.

And we need to rethink this notion of establishing democracies everywhere. When citizens are taught from birth to hate Israel and the west, It is hardly surprising they elect governments that hate Israel and the west.

 

[samsam]

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I never understood how so much hate can be centered around the birthplace of religion.
Ken

I find it amazing that it is the birthplace of civililization and yet people still live in mud huts, can't read or write, treat women as a different species and believe in things like 72 virgins awaiting them in heaven. Some areas of the world along with their populations need to go, they've had their chance to 'develop ' and 'prove' themselves, but time's up, the only thing that they seem to have shown is they are a degenerate branch of human geneology and can only cause trouble and problems for the rest. And look at the birth place of the human race itself, Africa. What a shithole. And after how many milleniums? It's time to set the supposed 'Rapture' train in motion and punch some tickets. Sam

Perhaps you feel that it is time to force extinction upon the lesser developed of our specie huh?

It's more like pruning a tree, it makes the tree healthier and more productive. It's more like getting rid of the rot in a boat. It's more like spring cleaning. It's more like get with the program. Religion obviously isn't the answer. Democrasizing the world is not a solution. Democracy has a major flaw in that it gives stupid people an equal vote. We AREN"T all created equal, half of us are smarter than the other half. I don't know about 'forcing extinction' upon them, but it would suit me fine if they would **** or get off the pot when it comes to being rational and civilized. Sam

 

[QC]

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I ask you, what is the one issue both sides can not agree on?

Israel's right to exist.

 

[POINTER94]

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I have avoided comment to this point because there is more to this dynamic than the MSM can cover. (Its to complex for their little minds8)) Therefor, this is an opinion I hold, and not some factual disertation. I do find it interesting that I haven't seen one piece in the MSM outlining what is truely a hatefilled religion some muslims have created.

PW suggested that war isn't the answer but look what negotiation brought Isreal. They gave up land, played the game in good faith and look what they get for their largesse. Countless civilian casualties, broken promises, and still a belief they haven't done enough. This is wrong in my opinion. Some suggest nuking them into a glass parking lot, this is just not an option. We don't need to ruin the planet under the guise of safety. If we don't have the stones to do it right, then it shouldn't be the cowards option that rules the day. The nuclear option in my opinion is a text book case of political cowardise. Win the day, destroy the planet for generations to come, but the headlines will be short lived and the existing power base will remain in place. Conventional war takes years and has daily body counts (from both sides) in the papers and this is what the pacifist left counts on in every war.

What the world will have to own up to is that there are many, who are interspersed throughout the world, who subscribe to a bastardized version of religion. Until we own up to the realization that these zealots will stop at nothing and use methods that would turn an ethics professor inside out, we will continue to see these types of scenarios played out.

Until the world can actually make a determination of what is truely good and what is evil, (QC is right on) a proactive plan of action that will result in peace will never materialize. Funny how politics continues to rule the day. If you have the time, research who has controled the area that is modern Isreal for the past 2000 years. Then the interloper arguement becomes somewhat moot.

Rolmops, safety and sucess to your family members. Your nephews are on the front lines of what could be one of the most dangerous times in modern history. And the outcome will have worldwide implications for everyone around the globe. Theorheticaly, the UN should be an agent of unity, but consistant with their corrupt nature they are actually making things worse, by their lack of leadership.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

Re: Israel Lebanon

This underlines the fact that the unilateral decisions made by Israel to withdraw from southern Lebanon in 2000 and just recently in Gaza were collossal mistakes.