Is history repeating itself?

[Elmer Fudge]

Re: Is history repeating itself?

Come to think of it, if history repeats itself i may yet get to see a live dino or two

 

[dogsdad]

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Waterone, these two don't need facts upon which to base their views, their views are the very precursors of fact. Reality is as they dictate.

 

[technostingray]

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Originally posted by Elmer Fudge:<br /> Naaa! you're right, i will let it go

As an aside to that the interest on the national debt is something like a billion dollars a day. Can this be correct don't want to say right, might start an argument.

 

[rodbolt]

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waterone<br /> I have posted the sites before but you can find them yourself by looking for the congressional reports on the rebuilding of Iraq from the inspector generals office and the GAO( general accounting office) dogsdad has seen the sites as he replied on some of the posts but I guess he chose to believe Rush over a report to congress.<br /> either way the 20 million apropriated in 04 is about gone and the infastructure as at or below pre 03 outputs and the money will be out in april of 06 and the contractors will ask for more.<br />I try not to deal with facts from talking heads thats why I like reading the congressional reports, its about all we can go by that may have some truth to it.<br /> so look about the congessional reports site and see what ya come up with.<br /> was a long discussion about this subject a few months back.

 

[Skinnywater]

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I have to ask where is the proof that "Bush lied about getting us into Iraq" ?

A democrat will say Bush lied and a Republican says he didn’t.<br />The Democrat and Republican continue chasing their tails. And at the expense of the country and the truth.<br />Truth is, we don’t have control of those WMD’s both sides agreed he had and finding them isn’t high on the current mission’s or Administration's priority.<br />You both are stuck on old arguments. The Democrat driven by the mentality that discrediting Bush is important. And the Republican is driven by the need to defend him.<br />You both miss the matters of extreme importance.<br />

Waterone, these two don't need facts upon which to base their views, their views are the very precursors of fact. Reality is as they dictate.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2005_hr/d06179t.pdf <br />

I try not to deal with facts from talking heads thats why I like reading the congressional reports, its about all we can go by that may have some truth to it<br />

That’s textbook denial to ignore facts.

 

[rodbolt]

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skinny water<br /> ok<br /> give us some sites that have more credible fact.<br /> I for one would apperciate it.<br /> you web link just furthers what I have said. its all based on oil and so far aint sheet flowing. your summerarily dissmissed. keep looking. only now look for how much we have spent.<br /> I have posted it once. I will wait until enough dissagree and post it yet again.<br /><br /> the Iraqi power grid cannot even keep the oil pumps pumping now. just as it could not support a WMD program in years past.<br /> <br />Skinnywater and dogsdad<br /> will ya at leas agree with me on two facts<br /> 1 is we failed to control the borders and security in 03<br /> and 2 is we failed to turn the lights and water back on <br /> skinny water<br /> is Rush and hannity and combs and anderson 360 more credible than a report to congress ?

 

[Skinnywater]

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rodbolt, I'm sorry I was refering to the ones that let Rush do their reasoning for them. Those that are in lock-step with either of the two political partys. Those that dismiss facts, reality or are otherwise, in denial.<br />You and I rodbolt, are in almost complete agreement.

 

[rodbolt]

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skinnywater<br /> I really dont care who is in power today, that will change soon.<br /> however as a person that has started to travel and will soon expand ny travel borders it sucks mostly.<br /> this christmas I will be going back to a resturaunt on margarita island, run by some folk that had to bail out of their homeland.<br /> its eyeopening to discuss things with them.<br /> gives ya a jaded eye to all the talking heads, especially the ones that had better things to do than at least a 2 year stint in the military.<br /> but all I ask is some fact. no spin just the fukin facts.<br /> ill make my own spin.<br /> when rush or hannity or anderson askes a question let the man/woman answer without drowning them out cause they dont like the answer.<br /> we all need to hear all sides.<br /> its been pointed out of late that some dislike the reference to our president of baby bush,geehaaa and dubbya.<br /> I respect that<br /> I am guilty of it in the past, but the past few weeks I have tried to refrain from any derogotory remarks.<br /> its counter productive.<br />I made a promise to myself to refrain from derogetory personal names, I hope you and dogsdad and 12ftr will assit me in keeping personall attacks out of further political threads.<br /><br /><br /> but so far I can spew my drivel, you can spew your drivel all can spew their drivel, and no one has to worry about govt issue boots kicking in their doors, yet.<br /><br /> and if their is a threat you,me and we, will give our lives to our neighbors to eliminate that threat. thats what seperates us from them.<br /> <br /><br /> after posting on DC ,getting flemed a few times, looking at the support that most give when another posts a problem it still makes me proud to be an american.<br /> aint a poster on here that I have seen that would not hesitate to help someone out.<br /> thats what being american is about.<br /><br /> your race,creed or religion wont matter to me if your arse is in a jam and burning, I hope mine is not either.<br /> <br /> its what seperates us from them

 

[technostingray]

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Hey, you guys! Let's not confuse the issue with facts!

 

[dogsdad]

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Rodbolt, I pick on you because you seem to respond to anything with a huge volume of words, many of which are irrelevant to the discussion, and seemingly including many "facts" that you seem to have gleaned off the internet to support the conclusions you have already drawn.<br /><br />I can find websites that support whatever position I wish to promote. I can "prove" that the Holocaust never took place. I can "prove" that the sun did not, in fact, rise this morning. I can "prove" anything I want, thanks to a handful of freaks and losers who know HTML.<br /><br />Something that all you leftists need to consider is the fact that your darling media has been caught with its hand in the cookie jar with increasing frequency of late. So, when someone other than the so-called mainstream press is saying the mainstream media has had an agenda for years, their stock is definitely going to go up and the mainstream press is going to be virtually stripped of its credibility (and hilariously enough, by its own actions!).<br /><br />When you say something like "...just as it could not support a WMD program in years past..." you tempt me to use many descriptive words that would be interpretted as a personal attack. Can't you see that you bring it on yourself?<br /><br />Here's a thought for you: you have a 55-gallon drum containing 55-15/16 gallons of pure water. Dump in 1/16th of a gallon of sewage, and you have 55 gallons of sewage. That is what you do to yourself with statements such as "...just as it could not support a WMD program in years past." You strip yourself of credibility by repeating such nonsense.<br /><br />I think that the fact that Saddam exterminated a few thousand Kurds with chemical weapons substantiates the fact that Saddam had a chemical weapons program od some kind, whether it was simply procurement from other sources or manufacturing them himself.<br /><br />All in all, the ranting from the left has become a veritable crescendo of BS lacking any credibility and consisting mostly of baseless allegations and outright prevarications...along with PERSONAL ATTACKS on any who oppose them and their dicscredited agenda.<br /><br />*glub, glub*

 

[JB]

Re: Is history repeating itself?

Reminder: In a civil discussion or debate we discuss, attack, defend or ridicule IDEAS and POSITIONS, not people. <br /><br />By that definition, this has become an uncivil discussion.<br /><br />Please resume civility. Thanks.

 

[rodbolt]

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no worries JB, its all an uneducated diatribe directed at me but, yea though I walk through the shadow of the flames of ignorance my asbestos skivvies shall protect me .<br /> dogsdad<br /> if you think any of the websites I post are inccorect bring that particular site to my attention so I can research it further rather than rambling at me.<br /> as far as the chemical weapons saddam used in the 80's they were all purchased and manufactured in the west. most had never actually been tested in combat and we encoraged the use of them against Iran so we could observe the effects.<br /> sometime when your playing and in the mood to read do some studying on uranium enrichment and the incredible amounts of electricity required,time involved and the technical level of the workforce involved.<br /> the isralies in the early 80's took out the only nuclear reactor capable of generating the spent uranium and electrical supply that Iraq had. or do you dispute this fact as well?<br /> while saddam had persued a WMD program on and off for some years he had no means of delivery and was not capeable of it. <br /> by 95 all the technicians that could leave did.<br /> the technical difficulty with machineing nukes was beyond the capeabilities of iraq by 95 as well.<br /> but if you will start researching the weapons used by both participants in the Iran/Iraq war I think you will be suprised.<br /> was a big toy test that was closly watched by all sides. similar to our involvement with the afghan/russian conflict. or maybe you dont belive that happened either. <br /><br /> all I ask is if you think I have posted erroneous information please bring it to my attention so we can research it a bit, or maybe post a site that proves me wrong.<br /> I would like to hear dogsdad take on what a WMD program is and how much electrical power and workforce technical capabilty is required.