I hate my life..........

[Tail_Gunner]

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Stay with a Suby dealership and keep it freindly.....get them on your side and at some point at no expense to you they will get it resolved.. A word of caution do not contact the corporation yet...you will only alienate your cause....

 

[xtraham]

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What is did was disconnect the shift rod from the shift lever, I put the car into first gear then drove up the road. The rod vibrates like crazy. The rod is only sending vibration to the shift lever. Has nothing to do with the bushing under it.

if you disconnected the linkage to the shifter and still had the noise the vibration has to be coming from something out of balance, IE: a u-joint, drive shaft, bad/loose engine or transmission mount, bad or incorrect harmonic balancer etc. the shifter on those things are bolted to the floor not the transmission.
try to duplicate the the noise/vibration sitting still, in neutral, w/clutch in and clutch out, that will rule out the transmission and clutch assembly.
good luck.

 

[JustJason]

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Only has the problem under load. Doesn't do a thing in neutral....

Update..... So the clowns decided to replace the bushing that the shift arm sits in. They say (and I haven't driven it) that it helped but it hasn't fixed the problem. So now they are going to order another bushing to see if they got a defective bushing. I think I have defective mechanics troubleshooting this thing. Seriously.... how hard is it to isolate a vibration. How hard is it to throw the car up on the lift with a guy in it, and have somebody else feel the shift arm where it comes through. How hard is it to put a stethoscope on the transmission and LISTEN.

I called Subaru of america today. I asked their advice as to what they would like me to do because now we are going on round 4 of trying to fix this car. I told them what the dealer was doing. I told them I hope the dealer isn't billing you for warranty work that wasn't needed because of an incorrect diagnoses. Subaru of america said they will look into it and get back to me monday.

the shifter on those things are bolted to the floor not the transmission[/qoute]

The shift arm sits in a bushing on the floor. The shift rod goes straight through the floor and bolts to the tranny. The vibration is coming up from the rod to the arm.
I wouldn't be surprised if the vibration has holed out the old bushing. But the bushing is not the cause of the problem. Its collateral damage from whatever is causing the vibration.

Anyone every lemon law a car? Was the dealer willing to take the car back, or was it a fight?
I looked it up and NH lemon law is 3 times out for the same problem. It's been 3 and no fix yet. And number 4.... and i'm going to laugh to myself and say # 5, 6, and seven will all probably happen next week at this rate.

Keep you guys posted.
Jason

 

[WizeOne]

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Yup. And there are at least two more sides.

Let's see? There is her side, the Toyata dealers side, the Subaru dealers side and Julio's side.

I count three more sides, JB!

 

[JustJason]

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Poor Julio...

 

[TilliamWe]

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What's all this static about a 4wd loaner? Didn't your girlfriend own a FWD Beetle? If she can't drive a FWD car in snow, AWD or 4WD ain't gonna solve her problems.
As far as the "wetsand, buff, clearcoat, and wax", that didn't happen. If they wetsanded it, they did it so as to not have to clearcoat it. And if they were truly scratches, just sanding the clearcoat and reapplying clearcoat only, is not the best way to do that job. And you don't put wax on fresh paint or clearcoat. So you got a line there.
As far as the transmission, have you ever driven any other Subbies? Maybe they all do it? I know you think that sounds like BS, but back in 1991 I worked at a Toyota dealership. And EVERY Camry with an automatic shifted from 1st to 2nd gear with such a hard shift, that the first time I drove one, I thought I hurt the car somehow. Then I drove the other 20 on the lot and they all did it. Sometimes things like that just happen.

As far as hating your life, well, sorry.

 

[aspeck]

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We were on the Dealership side of the lemon law ... and it was the manufacturer that refunded the money. The dealer (us) had nothing to do with it. Now it was a new car when it was sold, but if the car is still under warranty by the manufacturer it will be the manufacturer that you will deal with for the Lemon Law. (At least in PA several years ago ... )

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Guys cut the lemon law bs......Jason i know this.... your a good guy... if someone came into your place of business and started to try to tell you how to do your business....would it not be one swift kick in the arse out the door.....

Go into a suby dealership and make freinds....ask them for help.....anything short of that i will give you a answer for what they are feeling........Do it yourself MR know it all..... I am trying to give you the easy way.....Bob give the guy some help here on inside polotics..

PS Jason DO NOT EVER TELL THEM YOU HAVE TAKEN APART YOUR CAR>>>IN STATING AS MUCH YOU WILL DISAVOID YOUR ENTIRE WARRANTY...

 

[jonesg]

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If you hate your life then change the way you run it.

Everyone is talking about the car, its got nothing to do with the car or her or the dealerships.

 

[xxturbowesxx]

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You also have to make sure your not picking this car/situation apart to prove a point to your girlfreind.

 

[Shizzy]

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good point about it possibly being common to that particular car.

keep in mind that Subie is a little different then 90% of cars out there. It has a Boxer engine for one. those things just sound different then any other car out there.

I'm not a Subaru expert, but arent all Subaru's AWD? more parts in the driveline, more chances for vibration?

does this thing have a turbo? once again, more things different then all other cars out there.

I hope all this gets sorted out. Also even if you go over on mileage or time on your factory warranty, it still covers any unresolved issues that were being worked on before the warranty was up.

I sure am glad My Lady takes me along when she is ready to buy a new ride. She simply picks out the model and color and lets me take care of the rest. She always laughs at the expression on the salesmans face when its my turn to drive and I tell him " I hope you dont mind, but im going to work the S##t out of this car" and procede to put the car through the wringer.

I have told her no on many many cars. sometimes its some minor detail, but all it takes is one small thing to toss a red flag. the final decision on her last car was based mostly on its great condition, but also due to the fact it was pinstriped by hand, none of that sticker business. I figured if the P.O. cared enough to pay a pro to stripe the car, they cared enough about the car.

 

[JustJason]

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As far as the "wetsand, buff, clearcoat, and wax", that didn't happen. If they wetsanded it, they did it so as to not have to clearcoat it. And if they were truly scratches, just sanding the clearcoat and reapplying clearcoat only, is not the best way to do that job. And you don't put wax on fresh paint or clearcoat. So you got a line there.As far as the "wetsand, buff, clearcoat, and wax", that didn't happen. If they wetsanded it, they did it so as to not have to clearcoat it. And if they were truly scratches, just sanding the clearcoat and reapplying clearcoat only, is not the best way to do that job. And you don't put wax on fresh paint or clearcoat. So you got a line there.

It wasn't scratches... is was more like burnt paint. That's what they said they did, and It's not an issue, so I don't have a problem with that at all.

As far as the transmission, have you ever driven any other Subbies? Maybe they all do it?

Yes I have. Her car is a bone stock 07 with an SOHC 2.5 boxer 4 banger 170ish hp.
I have a 98 Impreza. DOHC 2.5 boxer.... Mine is a homebuilt using a new EJ257 short block (same as the new STI'ls) Higher compression (smaller combustion chamber) Impreza heads that have been cut, and higher lift forrester cams. Because I cut the heads I had to port match the intake and heat and "stretch" the header pipe. Also had to modifly the cam belt tensionor to take up the extra slack in the timing belt. I did all that a few years and 45,000 miles ago. It's run without a hiccup since. I never dyno'd the engine but i guesstimate it's 230ish.... Much much quicker than the stock engine. A bit quicker than the WRX's that are out today (but my car's a 2 door and weighs quite a bit less). I'm still using the stock 5spd transmission.... It's a bit notchy, as it's always been. But i've never felt a thing, no vibration, no shimmy.... through the shifter ever. Although not so much now, at 1 point I was quite familiar with Subie engines.

Guys cut the lemon law bs......Jason i know this.... your a good guy... if someone came into your place of business and started to try to tell you how to do your business....would it not be one swift kick in the arse out the door.....

I know what you mean man..... I'm telling them how to do their jobs.... I'm telling me to stop telling me the problem is fixed when it's not. I'm telling.... Julio..... Don't lie to me. It's doing the exact same thing now as it was when I dropped it off. Don't tell me "it didn't do it when you drove it". It's had the same vibration since the day we picked it up. The vibration always peaks at 4000RPM.... nothing has changed... since day 1.

I'll let you guys know what happens on Monday.... although it may be Tuesday because of another snow storm moving in.

 

[Tim Frank]

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Everyone is talking about the car, its got nothing to do with the car or her or the dealerships

You also have to make sure your not picking this car/situation apart to prove a point to your girlfreind.

Have to agree with jonesg and turbo!

So the woman went out last month and bought a new to her car. She's not my wife and we don't share finances so it's really none off my business what she buys or does with her money.

That makes complete sense...why didn't you leave it at that?

The only thing I did was offer my advice and knowledge and support if she wanted to take me up on it. In my mind.... that's all I really can do.
So she ends up buying an 07 Subaru Impreza with 25K on it, off of the used lot at a local Toyota dealership. The deal is what it is, and they were willing to finance the car and finance what she owed on her old car (which was a lease, in which she way way over the milage on... and payed a hefty penalty)
and to damm stubborn to take my initial advice, which car.
But nope.... she wants a newer car, and not an 8 year old Honda
So she goes out on her own, does the whole deal with the car without me, ... but I never drove it. She said she did and it drives fine

Man, the NERVE of some people....buying what she wanted AND being satisfied with what she chose!

Now the fun begins........

For whom?...

As soon as I drive it I pick up 2 problems. 1 more of a bother, another potentially dangerous.
The first one is the radio..... whenever you turn on the rear defroster the reception cuts out. The antennae is built into the rear window, and since that problem is now fixed (replaced the entire rear window) I won't go into it.
Now the 2nd problem.....

It just seems entirely self-inflicted...

So I grab Julio, the service dept manager, and the sales dept manager, and stick them all in the car. I drive it down the street and duplicated the noise.
Service dept has no clue, Julio is an idiot, I called him an idiot and told him to get out of the car and made him walk 1/4 mile back to the shop, and the sales manager agreed that it wasn't the heat shield but wouldn't say as to what it was.

So then I try to compromise

Of course you did..

Now I have an idea of what the problem is.... to me it sounds like a ...
My biggest fear is that i'm actually right.
So to my woman.... I friggen told you so.... don't buy a car without me. Because now i'm dealing with mess.
To Kim at toyota service..... I friggen told you so.... if you listened to me in the first place we would'nt be in this mess.
To the mechanics at Subaru..... your all idiots.
To Julio..... your an idiot too.
To Subaru..... just give me a damm transmission, and i'll fix it myself.
I hate my life...... and i'm going to go skiing today and see if I can find a nice tree.
Anybody got a gallon of gas and a match for me?

I think jonesg offered you the best advice so far....the car is not the root problem.
Still, good luck with this, I hope it works out for both you and your woman. I'd suggest that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, and they are both non-flammable.

 

[JustJason]

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The deal is, is that I'm quite a bit older than her... (i'm 31... she's 23). And that I don't want to see her get burned by the same dealer that burned me many years ago.
The whole reason I don't have the original motor in my car is that it grenaded at 55K. (research subie phase 1 2.5L's, you'll see alot of people got burned on that motor) I towed it to this same dealer because it was under warranty. (and the closest one within 40 miles) They said they would warranty the engine. 2 weeks later they told me subaru was not going to warranty the engine... after they already told me they would.
Then they offered to sell me a long block at cost as long as I paid full labor to install it. After I politely told them to FO... Then they wanted to charge me to put the car back together, after they told me, again, it was under warranty. They got the big FO again. this is the condition they returned the car to me in... They were PO'd at me because I wouldn't pay them for anything. Not that I should have..... I was told it was under warranty.
And keep in mind.... I gave them a complete untampered car.

That was years ago... but it's still the same service manager there.
Who do you think got that mess sorted out.... Me. You don't even want to know what was in the trunk. Hopefully now you guys can understand a little.

 

[bandit86]

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you know, it would be a shame if the ouput shaft leaked all the oil and the tranny fried, dont you think? They would have to replace it or rebuild it. Or simply drain the oil yourself, drive it a week tillit sounds like a tractor then put it back.

I know this is not morally or legally right, just puting in my 2 cents, but you might get a tranny rebuild. or take it to a tranny place that specializes in them look at it

Also, sign up to a subaru forum, or at least read through one and see if people had a similar problem

 

[UnregisteredUser]

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. Or simply drain the oil yourself, drive it a week tillit sounds like a tractor then put it back.

Yeah, they have no way of telling the motor was run without oil when they tear it down...

 

[evinice66]

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if the dealership is billing subaru, then arent they making alot of money off this? if subaru is getting billed then im afraid you might be getting the run around on purpose becasue they might happen to be slow at the moment and need the extra money...
on a side note- threw this whole situaltion, if you play your cards right, this might work out to be in your benifit! look at it this way, things happen for a reason,ur girl seemed to want the controll of her purchase and do it on her own becasue after women dont really need men!! or thats what they want you to think!!!!!! SOOOO like i said if you play it off right and show her that your the alfa dominant male, lol you can literally have her on her knees in future predicaments/decitions and youll gain alota respect becasue of it. know what i mean?

 

[jonesg]

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Trying to save people from the consequences of their decisions and actions is one mistake.

Insulting a mechanic and then allowing him to touch your car is another.

I went to europe with a guy who gave the ticket agent at the airport a face full of ugliness over nothing, his bags ended up 1000 miles away.
I wondered how he never saw that coming?

he couldn't see he was carrying his resentment against one person and applying it to others unconsciously , expanding his circle of enemies.

 

[Tim Frank]

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We could start a poll on how long this post lasts.
I'd guess it'll be gone by 8:30....

Edit: it lasted until 10:48 est. it would have been caught much earlier, if you had just clicked on the red and white triangle, which sends a report message to all of the moderators.

i deleted the spam you copied into your post, also. TD

 

[JustJason]

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Someone please delete post 39 for me.

This is not a battle of the sex's. or anything else like that.

Its genuinley careing about somebody and not wanted them to get burned.
It's about being so freaking frustrated watching these mechanics from 2 dealerships now without not just a clue on to fix the car, but how to diagnose it in the first place.
It's about being so frustrated because I know I can fix the car. But I can't touch it because its under warranty, and I certainly won't be paying for parts for a car with only 25K miles on it. I am by no means qualified to rebuild a subie tranny.... But I absolutely can remove the old one and install a new complete unit. Which is all the dealer would do, because they don't rebuild them their either.
I also care about the quality of work going into the car. All I can think about is some hack mechanic, if he finally gets it right, rushing through the car because either the dealer pressuring him because they are upsidedown on time invested into the car, or because the mechanic wants to beat book time.
They are supposed to replace the shift arm bushing they installed on friday (that they think is a factory defective part) either today or tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.

PS~ I didn't insult the mechanic working on the car. I did however insult the toyota mechanic that drove it to and from Subaru who told me the car was fixed, and who obviously lied to me when he said the noise wasn't there when he drove it.