I am puzzled.

[Kenneth Brown]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by JB:<br /> Boomer, there you go again, denying that facts exist.<br /><br />Hard, reproducible evidence exists that homo sapien evolved from earlier species of man-like creatures. Hard, reproducible evidence exists that homo sapien and other tail-less apes had a common ancestor and share 97-98% of DNA.<br /><br />True, we don't "know" how this happened, but we know that it did. Further evolution of homo sapien is observable and documented in recorded history. Even natural selection has been documented in survivors and immunity of Bubonic Plague and AIDS.<br /><br />We don't "know" who murdered JFK, either. Should we teach in history that LBJ had him snuffed?

There ya go again buddy. You may have evolved from an ape but I didn't. Everything they say evolved from something else is kinda ok with me. My reason being is that the original creature is no longer here. If you came from a monkey then why are the monkeys still in the zoo? I asked you before and you failed to answer. I would appreciate an answer this time proffessor.

 

[JB]

Re: I am puzzled.

Guess I missed your first question, KB.<br /><br />I (we) did not evolve from an ape. . .or a monkey, either. We evolved from the original form of fauna. So did all other vertibrates. That makes them very distant cousins, most more distant than others.<br /><br />Why are a few monkeys in zoos? A completely irrelevant question. Why are so many homo sapien in cages? The difference is that the monkeys did nothing to deserve it. The answer is that we homo sapia are afraid of them uncaged, and that we need to reinforce our self appointed God image by dominating them.

 

[fixin]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by mrbscott19:<br /> you're right boomyal, ID is in no way, shape, or form about religion. Here's the version of ID I'd like to see being taught.<br /><br /> FSM <br /><br />

<br />WOW!!!Did you look at the forum?

 

[AK_Chappy]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by Fixin:<br />

Originally posted by mrbscott19:<br /> you're right boomyal, ID is in no way, shape, or form about religion. Here's the version of ID I'd like to see being taught.<br /><br /> FSM <br /><br />

<br />WOW!!!Did you look at the forum?

Yup,<br />I thought it was kind of funny.<br />I liked this picture best.<br /> Global Warming is directly related to fewer Pirates <br />It is too large to post, so I posted a link.<br /><br />AK Chappy

 

[KRS]

Re: I am puzzled.

One day, each of us can ask God why he left questions unanswered for us in this life. I already know the answer, it is meant to test our faith, faith exists in the absence of absolute knowledge, our bodies are not prepared for absolute knowledge (that is why we are here), so we rely on faith.

 

[QC]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br /> faith exists in the absence of absolute knowledge

I submit that it takes just as much faith to believe in no creator as it does to believe that there is one . . .

 

[JB]

Re: I am puzzled.

I'll give you an "Amen" on that, QC.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by Quietcat:<br />

Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br /> faith exists in the absence of absolute knowledge

I submit that it takes just as much faith to believe in no creator . . .

Faith in what QC? The critical thinking progressive mind of man? We are sure seeing where that is leading us aren't we?

 

[jtexas]

Re: I am puzzled.

I'm puzzled too, boomyal..."science" is a well-defined method of studying things. <br /><br />If you want to teach "intelligent design" in science class, treat it like a science.<br /><br />If "evolution" isn't real, then we have nothing to fear from viruses like the avian flu...it can't transmit from birds to humans now, therefore it never will. There, I just saved us $7.5 billion!!!

 

[QC]

Re: I am puzzled.

It's simple Boom. It takes faith in science for one thing. Also, and more importantly, it takes faith to believe that there is some other thing (can't imagine what it would be) that would have caused this Universe thing . . . <br /><br />You and I are still in sync although I leave a lot of room for our creator to have created evolution. The ability for organisms to adapt is even more miraculous to me than something static.<br /><br />I understand the "in His image" thing, I don't choose to interpret that literally, although I am not sure why the correct "image" had to happen all at once.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: I am puzzled.

I did not start this post to argue about creation vs evolution. I only posted to show the hypocracy of the secular left. The segment of this population, in the minority no less, that so values diversity except when it disagrees with their goals.<br /><br />I don't fear the idea of evolution. I fear for this nation when it so totally eliminates any acknowledgement of a Creator that 85% of the population professes to believe in.

 

[JasonB]

Re: I am puzzled.

JT, I think it is more of a debate on did man evolve from a lower form period. I think a better word to describe your flu example is "adaptation" Living things adapt every day to their environment. I tend to think of "evolving" as moving toward a higher form. Not picking on words here, but I think we need to make sure what we mean my evolve.<br /><br />e·volve ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-vlv)<br />v. e·volved, e·volv·ing, e·volves <br />v. tr.<br /><br />To develop or achieve gradually<br /><br /><br />a·dapt ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-dpt)<br />v. a·dapt·ed, a·dapt·ing, a·dapts <br />v. tr.<br />To make suitable to or fit for a specific use or situation.<br /><br />v. intr.<br />To become adapted: a species that has adapted well to winter climes.

 

[QC]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by Boomyal:<br /> I did not start this post to argue about creation vs evolution

I understood that, but you can see how it would "evolve" . . . Sorry couldn't help it.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by Quietcat:<br />

Originally posted by Boomyal:<br /> I did not start this post to argue about creation vs evolution

I understood that, but you can see how it would "evolve" . . . Sorry couldn't help it.

Gotme!

 

[Boomyal]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by JasonB:<br /> JT, I think it is more of a debate on did man evolve from a lower form period. I think a better word to describe your flu example is "adaptation" Living things adapt every day to their environment. I tend to think of "evolving" as moving toward a higher form. Not picking on words here, but I think we need to make sure what we mean my evolve.

They continue to mix the two in an attempt to give validity to their psuedo science.

 

[Nos4r2]

Re: I am puzzled.

Actually, although I think any kind of religion is a crock of smelly stuff, I'm with Boomy on this one. There's NEVER going to be any validity in mix/matching theories to suit the current fashions...

 

[JasonB]

Re: I am puzzled.

There are many things that Science cannot explain, much less prove.<br /><br />When I look around at the wonders of this world...<br /><br />It is well, it is well.... (I bet Boom and some others know the rest).

 

[PW2]

Re: I am puzzled.

Part of the theory of evolution is the randomness of it all. You are likely to have genetic changes all over the block. The stronger ones, more adapted to their changing environment survive and thrive and breed, the weaker ones don't<br /><br />In this way, they "evolve" into a stronger form. It is not a linear progression.

 

[JB]

Re: I am puzzled.

I see arguments for evolution quoting, or alluding to, facts discovered by scientific search and research. Some of evolution theory is just that: theory about how such and such happened. Some more of it is proof: scientific observation of various species during recorded history. <br /><br />Whether a genetic mutation that better adapts a species and therefore evolves it is random or a deliberate, intelligent intervention is unknown.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the arguments for creationism consist mostly of derision and or denial of scientific evidence (evidence, I remind you, is not proof) and a complete absence of either evidence or facts.<br /><br />Given the opposing "faiths" I have to go with the one that offers supporting evidence.

 

[QC]

Re: I am puzzled.

Originally posted by JB:<br />Unfortunately, the arguments for creationism consist mostly of derision and or denial of scientific evidence

I don't think either of those things is required to "argue" creationism. I just look at it this way. If the Universe was not created you have to believe in a period of absolute nothingness and a "poof" or absolute foreverness. I can't do that. Now, the opposite take (which I subscribe to) requires that you give up on the where did God come from thing. I believe that I cannot understand that, so I don't spend anytime on it. I guess that is where the faith part comes in.<br /><br />No one has ever preached those words to me. That is where I have come to after believing in God as a child (I am pretty sure that I didn't really understand what that meant) to total atheism as a teen and early twenties, to constant contemplations ever since that has brought me to the above.<br /><br />Now as far as a definition of God . . . I can't help you there