Hurricane Irma

avenger79

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was just a thought....

BTW I used to work as a designer for Generacs competitor in home standby gennies. funny you mention it, as I do not have one, but I have been considering it. can't really justify it as I have only lost power for more than a few hours once.

of the ones we installed on employee's homes that we could monitor, there were few issues with them. we usually ran them on natural gas or off of propane tanks if the house was on propane. we had quite a few folks who really liked them for their cabins etc.

I do have one neighbor who has one and he loves that thing. his is a Kohler.(I believe)
 

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Mines a 4KW Generac portable. On previous house, install a 30 amp 220V rain tight connector on the side or the house, back yard, wash room wall. Inside had a 4-plex box providing two 120V duplex outlets. When power needed, one cable from Gen and 4 extension cords kept everything going.

Natural gas furnace installed a male plug and outlet before the maintenance turn off switch. Pull the plug and connect to extension cord, we be warm
 

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I used to design all of Cummins Natural gas stand-by gensets from 150kw to 1.2 MW (2003 - 2005) as well as custom mobile gensets. the standard power gen offering was developed in either Fridley or Daventry. Lived and breathed gennys for 5 years, must have designed about 200 plus products including a member of the NFPA standards committee. not worth the headache of maintenance for a residence. dont really know anyone who was in the power-gen field that actually owns a genny.

automatic switchgear for emergency backup is 10 seconds from line-loss to full load - requires a monthly exercise run
residential switchgear is 20+ seconds. recommended monthly test. minimum requirement is a semi-annual run.

if I really wanted a genny, I would get one (probably build it myself or have it built). they dont really add much to the value of a house other than to add a line-item on the purchase contract. no-one maintains or exercises their residential gennys, so when it comes time to rely on them, they usually fail. fuel is usually stale and the starting batteries have been boiling on the maintenance charger for 4 years and wont turn it over.

regarding fuel consumption. internal combustion spark ignited engines require 0.4 #/hp / hr or fuel to run. so doesnt matter if I am running a 20hp V-twin or idling my truck. same amount of fuel is being used. Compression ignition engines burn 0.34 #/hp / hr.

knock yourself out getting a genny.

Sweetie and I are over 75 and back in 2014, when cows were high, sold off our herd. I had been dragging the portable 6500W out of the shop and hooking that up with gas cans and extension cords and all and figured it was time to do better. With about $4500 of the cow sale, I bought a 11kW Generac with switchbox and 250 gallon propane tank full of gas.

I did the Gen. installation and the propane co did the tank installation and hookup. I just topped off my tanks for the winter yesterday and I used 10% (of 80% max fill) over the year for the automatic, once a week runups, and the power outages we had over the year. Propane is neat as you can store it in a large quantity onsite, it's safe, relatively cheap ($1.50 a gallon), engine runs clean on it, and it doesn't go bad over time. Between that and Mobil 1 10w-30 oil stays clean and changes are like every 300 hrs......of run time not calendar time. The machine tells you when to do it. There is a drain hose that you just put over your catch pan, pull off the cap and let her go. Spin on filter is right there. Battery is maintenance free. I have changed the oil once since obtaining. That's not what I'd call a problematic piece of equipment to have at your disposal.

It kicks on once a week and runs for 15 minutes. If power goes out, it immediately kicks on the V twin 4 stroke engine (of their own design) and after running for a couple of minutes, the switch box "slams" the contactor to the gen position and away we go. Satellite receivers, computers and TV are on Cyber Power (brand) battery power supplies so they don't know that the switch took place. It's all automatic as are the status lights on the side which tell me when it's time to change the oil and perform battery checks. I run half the house with it, just like running coop power from the power company, eliminating non essentials like the wash room and some of the other rooms of no consequence. I deliberately did it this way as the smaller sized unit runs on less propane and the tank would last longer in an emergency. After having it, I wouldn't be without it.

Since Texas is into power rationing during peak load periods, like really hot summer days, they may cut your power for several hours and move the blackout around the state to let all share in it to keep things running on existing resources. Not a fun thing to have to go through if you don't have to. That was one of the reasons for the purchase along with ice storms that come most every winter knocking power out, and then there is the outage every time we have a thunderstorm which is often in the spring and fall and on and on, or some goon on the highway runs into a power pole, or a storm knocks trees down over lines.

Certainly something to think about if you worry about power outages, regardless of the reason.
 

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hmm... natural gas, didn't think about that. Here in TN, tornado would be a concern or maybe ice storm. Direct hit tornado would of course render anything useless but close widespread damage like what happened just north a few years back in the 'boro or an ice storm that would be the ticket.

Our call center in Tullahoma just down the road has a deisel gen that kicks on automatically.

Anything sub $2k avail?
 

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you might be able to purchase a unit for less than 2K but still need the transfer switch panel, slab to set it on, and an electrician to wire it up as well as someone to run gas lines. prob be more around 5 - 6K depending on how elaborate you go with it
 

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Very interesting. I didn't realize a gen could run on propane. We already have a 500gal tank that we could just tap into, we have no backup and live in the cold northwoods. Lost power once that lasted all night. Just thru an extra dog on the bed.... Outside it got down to -20. In the house it only dropped to the 50s. I was very happy.
 

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you might be able to purchase a unit for less than 2K but still need the transfer switch panel, slab to set it on, and an electrician to wire it up as well as someone to run gas lines. prob be more around 5 - 6K depending on how elaborate you go with it



got a buddy who is an lifelong commercial electrician. Comes in handy. He's borrowing my chainsaw this weekend. He doesn't know it yet but he's also going to swap out 5 outlets while he's here...
 

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Very interesting. I didn't realize a gen could run on propane. We already have a 500gal tank that we could just tap into, we have no backup and live in the cold northwoods. Lost power once that lasted all night. Just thru an extra dog on the bed.... Outside it got down to -20. In the house it only dropped to the 50s. I was very happy.

Magnatek / Powr Guard both make a reasonable priced propane unit
Cummins PowerGeneration has a series of natural gas / propane models from 4kw up to 1.2 MW
Kohler has a few propane models
Generac has a bunch of propane models.

you could do like my father does up in Wausaukee..... a propane wall-mounted direct vent furnace in the basement set to 60 degrees. if the main furnace goes out or the power goes out, the wall unit fires up, keeping his basement at 60 which in turn keeps the rest of his house about 60
 

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I have a friend on another forum reporting a sailor friend lost at sea last week..

Tried to outrun Irma, moving his 35ft (IIRC) sailboat from the Keys to Cancun, due to arriving this past Sun. No word, no arrival.....

Propane generator sounds ideal.... Clean and cheap to run......
 

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several boat rescues shown on TV this week. Unless I had two weeks notice or a boat that could do 25 knots or better i'd take my chances on land not sea.

Here's to hoping
 

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you cant outrun a storm with feeder bands that are 200+ miles from the eye in a boat that does 7 knots. hope they find your friend's friend intact, and hung-over somewhere
 

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After Ike hit here; I had a unit installed. (Propane. Best investment I ever made). The unit was put in the pump house. Can't remember when we were without electricity.
 

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Finally got power back on around 11:00 last night .. :dance: Thanks JEA ! And all the trucks that have come to help our state from all over the country ! They all have been working there tails off down here ! I hope they all can return home to their families soon !
They are saying everyone should have power restored by Sunday evening sometime in Duval Co .Still a lot more work further down the state ...
 

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hmm... natural gas, didn't think about that. Here in TN, tornado would be a concern or maybe ice storm. Direct hit tornado would of course render anything useless but close widespread damage like what happened just north a few years back in the 'boro or an ice storm that would be the ticket.

Our call center in Tullahoma just down the road has a deisel gen that kicks on automatically.

Anything sub $2k avail?

My curent portable 6500w portable, electric start, was bought during one of HF's parking lot sales for just over $350. It's made in the orient but a super fine piece of equipment. Had it for about 10 years now and zero defects. I think it runs at full power for 10 hrs on a tank of gas, half power about twice as long....as I recall, something like that. I quit using it for house backup when I bought the Generac. I use it now to power my welder when in the field or other electrical devices in remote areas. It and the welder just slide into the bucket on the FEL on my tractor and away you go.

Gotta store the gas and drag out the extension cords but keeps the freezer and frige cold and runs other essentials like small air conditioners. That would fit just fine with the freezer and frige off. Cool the house down and run them for an hour then switch back. Quick check, frig and freezer run about 7 amps each. A 15k btu AC runs on about 12. That's 26 at 120v = 3120w. Plenty of margin there to allow for starting surges, which the unit is rated to take to some degree.

Doubt it would a 2 ton central.....quick check leveraging off 15k BTU, 24k would be about 2x or 12A at 240.....2880 w. Considering losses and starting surges, you could make do for your house with it. You just plug in what needs to run and when up/down to temp, shut it off and turn on something else. Lights and such don't matter, especially with the newer neon bulbs drawing small currents. TV runs little, computer little, no brainers on them.

What you have to watch is the coffee pot, iron, microwave, blender.....those appl. run around 1kw. Just don't run any combination at one time. Again all this is a pain, but it's very tolerable when you consider the alternative.
 

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yeah like I said I'd just need heat. If summer we have a pool. I've also had to manage the usage on the boat genny so used to one at a time approach. Tho my boat genny kicked a...
 

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is it too early to start a discussion on Maria..... Irmas little sister?
 
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