Hostage,Jill Caroll is in no danger.

[12Footer]

Trust me on that. That is my fervent opinion. She is, after all, a "journalist". Every time one of these journalists get "abducted", they are "released" --- then they write a book. Or they go on Oprah and tell their story of being "held by misguided gentlemen, who only wanted to convey their feelings for their comrads in American custody" or "I got to know my captors on a personal level", or some such rot. My money is on the chance that she already knew them!<br /><br /><br />We'll be bombarded with sales pitches hawking their new book, or hyping their movie. <br /><br />I for one, am not being fooled again.<br />I'll graciously eat my words (and my hat) if i am wrong -- but i won't be.

 

[bootle]

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Then lets all hope that you're right.

 

[LubeDude]

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It will obviously be a terrible thing if you are wrong, but I would have to side with you on this one. I hope we dont have to eat our words. The enemy does know how to work our system to its advantage.

 

[jtexas]

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Patty Hearst heard the burst of Roland's thompson gun and bought it.<br /><br />--Warren Zevon, Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner

 

[alden135]

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Originally posted by Bassin' Fever:<br /> The enemy does know how to work our system to its advantage.

Made even easier when approx. half the country is helping them out.

 

[briannh1234]

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Not all hostages are released. One had his head cut off and they videoed it and released it onto the internet...

 

[PW2]

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Danny Pearl or Michael Kelly would probably dispute your contentions--Had they lived.<br /><br />I have no idea whether she will be released unharmed or not--or whether she will be killed-I hope she survives, of course...<br /><br />But if it is some grand media conspiracy, then it signals the death knoll of democracy as we know it, for integral in a democracy is a free press and an informed electorate.

 

[Braxton]

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i hope she will be ok. God love her she looked soooooooooooo scared. and i was scared with her. May God Bless i wish for her safe return. Brax

 

[Fly Rod]

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Well lets hope you are right, but I think you are wrong, "THEY WILL KILL HER"!!!!<br /><br />Here is a new group of terrorist, wanting to make a name for themselves!!! If they let her live ,they will be showing weakness!!!!

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Danny Pearl or Michael Kelly would probably dispute your contentions--Had they lived.

<br />Sure. But they were reporters, and in Pearl's case, SENT or asigned to report from that area.<br />Dunno about Kelly.<br />Reporters are sometimes told where to go, and what story they are sent to cover. Jill is a "journalist", and set her own agenda to a great degree. She is known for her absolute fearless ventures into dangerous areas. She knew the risks (not to imply that Kelly or Pearl did not), and did NOTHING to prevent or discourage her own adbuction. She seemed to invite this upon herself by her own hand -- Nothing new there amoungst the likes of Cristian Amempoure, and the BBC "journalist" corps)...And we know they still have heads that werk,and books in print.If you wish to do the math, come back and explain this NORMAL outcome of a journalists' efforts to "find out why they feel this way".<br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br />I have no idea whether she will be released unharmed or not--or whether she will be killed-I hope she survives, of course...

As do we all,PW. <br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br />But if it is some grand media conspiracy, then it signals the death knoll of democracy as we know it, for integral in a democracy is a free press and an informed electorate.

I agree 100%,PW. However, we can only guess (or ,in my case, place silly bets) upon the motivations, aliances, or logistics of others. I have made mine known here. Please understand that i am not a goul, betting on the misfortune of others, but someone who believes with all my heart,that some despicable types hold the view that "the world is a stage to perform on for power and proffit". <br />My "bet", is that this is one such case. I watch the videos released by the mutants, and see a calm actor on a premeditated stage.<br />Now, as the "demands deadline" has come and gone, I can only apologise for not taking the bait this time, as i did with the others, and stand firmly to my opinion.<br />If i am wrong, i have a hat to eat. If i am right, what message did i wish to convey by posting this strongly-held opinion in the first place?<br />And will you recognise it for what it was?<br />I pray you don't get fooled again.

 

[PW2]

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She has been in Iraq, apparently trying to get out the story of what "really" is happening in Iraq, regardless of what the authorities tell her. --Obviously at the risk of great personal danger.<br /><br />And for this you criticize her?<br /><br />Would you rather the media just sits in their Bahgdad hotel rooms and just mouth the official government line?<br /><br />I have no idea what her personal political philosophy may be, but I admire her courage. And I would hope that more reporters show that kind of courage to try to get the story out, whatever that story is.<br /><br />And I am not particularly familiar with prayer, but I pray for her safe return...

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> She has been in Iraq, apparently trying to get out the story of what "really" is happening in Iraq, regardless of what the authorities tell her. --Obviously at the risk of great personal danger.<br /><br />And for this you criticize her?

<br />No, of course not. Not for her fearless pursuit of the story. Not for her "mission", but for what i see as her agenda. <br />Granted, PW, i may be all wet on this one. But i truely do not think i am.<br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br />Would you rather the media just sits in their Bahgdad hotel rooms and just mouth the official government line?

<br />I thought you know me better than that. Ater all,I have often critisised the media for doing this -- their reliance on "big-Al" for their scoops (of what, i dunno, yet "scoops" nonetheless).<br /><br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br />I have no idea what her personal political philosophy may be, but I admire her courage. And I would hope that more reporters show that kind of courage to try to get the story out, whatever that story is.

<br />On the other hand, I do have an inkling of her political philosphy is, having read some of her stuff. Here...I hope you can stomach her "werk".I cannot<br />If it is, as you call it, "courage", an old sea-dog like me cannot help but admire, and even RESPECT her pursuit for the "real story".<br />But i feverishly hold the opinion that it is an act. All of it. As seen before all too often.<br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /><br />And I am not particularly familiar with prayer, but I pray for her safe return...

Glad to hear it, and God bless you, PW! But you do not need familiarity. That comes with time.<br /> As you'll hopefully find out, "Ten Hail-Mary's and 5 "Our-Father's" is not prayer, unless it comes from the heart.<br />And although our prayers will be heard, they are not always answered to our approval, but his.

 

[12Footer]

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More on Jill Carol's "werk"...<br />I will admit, the body of her published drivvel is rare. After all, she is freelance, she was (as i just discoved) "under assignment" by the Christian Science Monitor -- and she is but 27 years old (about the same age as Dan Rather was when he was on assignment in Vietnam), she has to establish a name for herself, or soon be relegated to obscurity pecking poopdeck articles for the Chrisitian Science Monitor. Now there's a fine, uinbiased publication! <br />PW2, the following is addressed directly and respectfully to you in particular;<br />And i do mean respectfully..To rank Caroll amoung the likes of Daniel Pearl is sort of dumping a drop of oil on the water. Here-- I shall illustrate:<br /><br />Here are the results from a Google-search. "JOURNALIST+FREED" typed-into the search box... Note that there were 135,677 hits!<br />These results are but from the first page (21hits).NINE were not repeats! Shall i go back in history a bit further? If you want to go into depth, i urge you to actually READ some of these! And if you did, would you then be convinced? <br /><br />Probably not. So bore yourself, as opposed to having me do it for you. IOW, do your homewerk, That is, if your motives are actualy upon the pursuit of truth as opposed to the pusuit of snappy rhetoric!!(i think your motives are your own, and i respect them in iether case- - i merely wish to debate yours and state mine).<br /><br />Scot Taylor<br />Luigi Hippolito<br /> Florence Aubenas along with her interpreter, Hussein Hanoun al-Saadi<br />Lorenzo Cremonesi<br />Giuliana Sgrena<br />James Brandon<br />Micah Garen<br />Abdullahi Kulmiye Adow<br />Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury

 

[PW2]

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I admit I am completely dumbfounded about what your position really is.<br /><br />I kind of assumed that since you have said so many ignorant things before on this board, you were merely going for a new record.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> I admit I am completely dumbfounded about what your position really is.<br /><br />I kind of assumed that since you have said so many ignorant things before on this board, you were merely going for a new record.

If you read but ONE of those links, you'dd understand my position. Outside of that, just go with the typical "180degrees out-of-phase with your position".<br /><br />But at least, i respect your opinion, be it wrong, right, "ignorant" or briliant.<br />Nice dig tho. You just lowered yourself a few bars in my opinion of you. It was uncharacteristically childish of you. However, knowing you as well as i have come to know you, you meant that as a joke -- right?

 

[Elmer Fudge]

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Have there been any news of Jill Caroll since the deadline was passed?

 

[12Footer]

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Nada, Elmer.

 

[CJY]

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I kind of assumed that since you have said so many ignorant things before on this board, you were merely going for a new record.

Well said.<br /><br /><br />Unbelievable 12footer. I wonder what tune you would be singing if it were your daughter instead.

 

[CJY]

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12footer, are you not the same person that has spoken of the enemies visciousness, their hatred of Americans, their desire to kill every last one of us? And then you come up with this?

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> 12footer, are you not the same person that has spoken of the enemies visciousness, their hatred of Americans, their desire to kill every last one of us? And then you come up with this?

Yes, it was.So what's your point?<br /> I still support my country's dog in this fight. Facts remain the same, i always will.<br />Hatered for them oozes from every one of my patriotic American pores. My hatered surely surpasses the mutants' hatered of Americans, for which, i could care less.<br />Truely. no compassion here, C. As a matter of fact, every single attack,abduction, or other op they perpetrate on the human race just angers me more. I would gladly give my life to but cause just one of these mutant thugs great physical or emotional grief!<br /><br /><br />I "come up with this" by using my head. In all honesty,what did you expect? And what about all those who paved the way for my prediction of her "miraculous escape" or "Benevalant misunderstood captors"? (GAG). Click a few of the names i gave you in the post above. Read fopr yourself some of the "stories" they came up with, for fame,fortune, or whatever psychopathic reason. Just one may click on the light bulb -- that is, if it hasn't been shattered by 40years of socialist experimentation.I have formed this opinion through doing just that. Be this a "trend" or "enemy tactic", it SMELLS of of an Oscar-winnable performance all things concidered.<br />Form your own opinion,and state it..Your attempt at character assasination is transparent.<br /><br /><br />We all want peace, my misguided friend. Too bad it will never happen. <br />