"HELP" needed timing on my 1986 Tidecraft Evinrude 40HP VRO E40ELCDE motor???

[dkosiewicz]

"HELP" needed timing on my 1986 Tidecraft Evinrude 40HP VRO E40ELCDE motor???

I have a 1986 Tidecraft with a 1986 Evinrude VRO 40 hp E40ELCDE motor. I have replaced the VRO Pump due to dry-rotted diaphragms. I have rebuilt and cleaned the 2 carbs but now I am thinking now that it is out of time. Can someone help me on here with what degree the timing should be set at and how to set it? I have youtube'd it but I am still a bit confused. I think picture #2 shows the timing adjustment screw? And picture #3 is the idle adjustment screw?
Thanks in advance, Dave

 

[ondarvr]

What makes you think the timing is wrong?

​Unless you or someone else messed with it the timing won't change on it's own.

 

[juno pierrat]

don,t adjust pic 2, do you think its been messed with?

 

[dkosiewicz]

When I was growing up we had to set the timing on cars. It looks as both screws are in all the way?

 

[juno pierrat]

yes timing can be adjusted, BUT its often said here " timing set at factory should never need adjusting".. But look at the top secret file at the top of this forum page and look for "TIMING Johnson Evinrude Carbed motors". my motor has about 3 turns left before being max'ed out like yours,
pic 3 is idle timing

and also what problem are you having? is still the same from your other post?

 

[flyingscott]

A car ignition is not the same as an outboard ignition so leave the timing alone. What is the problem you are having? You may need to do some more diagnosis.

 

[dkosiewicz]

HI flyingscott,
Still having the same issue as in my previous post that you commented it on. I had to replace my old VRO Fuel Pump due to dry rotted diaphragms. And while I had my pump off I rebuilt the carbs and cleaned them. But its still not running correctly. I do think someone attempted to adjust my idle screw as well as the timing screw. I dont think they should be set all the way in or out? Either way they have been moved now, by me. In an attempt to get my motor running. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Dave

 

[flyingscott]

You will also need to do a link and sync. You will also need to remove the flywheel to look at the key. If somebody moved the timing that much there is a reason.
This link is how you time the motor http://forums.iboats.com/forum/engi...ns-faq/234008-joe-reeves-wot-timing-procedure. You need to make sure you have good spark and flywheel key must be good or it will not work.

 

[dkosiewicz]

Hi flyingscott,
Thanks for the link and the info. I will try it out this week. Thanks to everyone who is and has helped me on my issue. I just cant find out what my motor's timing should be set it. I have tried googling it but no luck.

Thanks Dave

 

[racerone]

Why not post what the motor is doing / not doing ??----Have you tested compression ?----Have you looked at the flywheel key ?

 

[dkosiewicz]

Hi racerone,
I had another post right before this one in which I went into detail of what was going on. I just didnt want to repeat myself.
2 years ago I had a leak in my VRO Fuel Pump, so I purchased a new one. But the new one came with 4 wires instead of 3 wires like the original one. The Fuel pump had torn or dry rotted diaphragms and they dont make the 3 wire VRO Pumps. So while having the Fuel pump off I took off the 2 carbs and rebuilt them and cleaned them. No needles seats nor orifices are clogged or dirty. I replaced all the gas lines and primer bulb as well. I am getting gas from the tank to the fuel pump, I am getting gas from fuel pump to the carbs, i am getting gas to the motor thru the carbs as I have disconnected the gas lines in the various stages of gaslines and saw the gas flowing thru. I am also getting gas from the primer solenoid to the carbs. I have not tested the compression nor check the flywheel key as of yet. With the holiday I was trying the easier things first and I am not positive on how to check these things? I did notice that the screws for the timing and idle speed are or were turned all the way in.

 

[dkosiewicz]

I also was able to locate what my timing should be set at 19* btdc. But not sure if this is at idle of full throttle?

 

[dkosiewicz]

Help, guys just a few more steps and I think I will be good to go!
I've included several photo's to help me explain what I need help with. First all, thanks for everyone who has assisted me so far. And thanks in advance for anyone who might help me finish up my quest to have my boat out on the water! :- ) I figured out that the time was off on my motor but it due to the fact that the throttle cables settings were all messed up, do they look correct? Picture #1. In picture #2 shows the timing screw, again does it look correctly set? Picture #3 shows my motors baffle showing that the timing should be set to 19* BTC, which I understand to be 15* since its getting set out of water. Picture #4, shows the degrees on my flywheel which I marked at 15*'s. Dumb question picture #5 shows my spark plugs, which spark plug is the #1? I figure it is the top plug on the top. And does picture #6 shows my fast idle stop, and what should it be set at?
Thanks again!

 

[flyingscott]

The top cylinder is #1. Pic # 6 shows the max timing stop. Pic #2 is not the timing screw pic #6 is pic #2 is either a idle screw or max throttle stop for the carbs. To time the motor, take the plugs out disconnect the shifter cable and push the throttle all the way forward. I think it's time you buy a manual for your motor a factory one.

 

[dkosiewicz]

And flyingscott you are correct I do need a manual but not sure where to find one. I have googled it but there are so many spam sites I am not sure of which one to use. I did time the motor last night and used the screw in picture #2 to do so. And by turning it in or out is advanced my timing or retarded it. I also noticed when turning the screws on the cables in picture #1 it effected the timing as well.

David

 

[dkosiewicz]

OK here is a better picture of the 2 areas I am looking at. The one screw above my pinky I say must be my timing screw? When I was setting my timing last night while turning this screw in or out either sped up or retarded my timing and the screw by my pointer finger is the cables coming from the remote control which also seems to change the timing on my motor. If I screw this cable in it moves the screws distrance from the stopping plate by my pinky. So my question is where do I set my cable at? The cable in the rear is for my forward reverse and neutral. The screw all the way under the flywheel I think is my fast idle limit?

 

[ob]

The one by your pinky is for idle timing adjustment and the one by your index finger is the trunnion adjuster for the throttle linkage roller to cam setting. This trunnion should be your first adjustment and then adjust the idle timing as needed. Can't help but notice the position of the red lever of your fuel primer solenoid. It appears to be in the open or manual cold start position. Normal running position should be seated clockwise 90 degrees with the red lever inline with the body of the solenoid.

 

[juno pierrat]

the primer lever is set to manual open/ choke, parallel to primer body is normal position, if it won't run in normal position disregard this post.

i would disconnect the cable first, it is influencing your adjustments negatively, now the screw by the pinky finger, is the idle adjustment, adjust that screw to the rpm you want at idle. now adjust the cable the cable until the cable just goes on its connection without changing the rpm's. from then on adjust the idle only with the idle screw.
the throttle cable is just that," If I screw this cable in it moves the screws distance from the stopping plate" thus advancing the idle timing and increasing the rpm's.

 

[flyingscott]

The screw by your pinky is the IDLE screw. The screw under the flywheel with the rubber cap on it is your max timing adjustment ! OMC motors use low speed timing to adjust the idle. DID you touch the screw that has the black cap on it under the flywheel ? This question must be answered ! The screw under the flywheel with the cap on it controls the 19 deg of timing. When you adjust the screw by your pinky all you are adjusting is the idle. You need to get a manual or take your motor to a mechanic before you do something you can't undo. Also turn the red lever on the prime so it is parallel to the body of the primer.

 

[dkosiewicz]

Flyingscott
I ordered the Manuel. Will be here Saturday. And yes I moved the screw with the black cap. But only slightly. If that is the timing screw it was been turned all the way in. I set the primer level back to Parnell the solinoid. I took both plugs out. Inserted a wire into the plug wire and grounded them. Used my timing light and moved the screw by my pi it until I got to 15* since it's out of water. But I had to make that screw all the way out as well.