Health Insurance/Extortion

DayCruiser

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NOTHING is free Jason, and the ramifications and consequences of the program in your fine state are just now coming to light and fruition.

Get back to us in 5 or 10 years with an update.

"Nothing is free" Ya right! . If you are between 40 and 65 in this country and Middle Class, then you are screwed in this country when it comes to health care. Especially if you are self employed. No sense shopping around for the lowest price. All Insurance plans are about the same in coverage and cost. Almost like price fixing? Just like driving around for the cheapest gas prices. You may save a penny here or there......Lower rates mean mean much less coverage or even no coverage on many things. Usually a much higher deductible.
I had a minor problem. The Insurance company split the cost with me and then raised my rate $100 per month!! 6 months later they went up $25. I called around and better policies were 2 times higher per month. The cost of health care will drive you into the US poverty level. Most people can't afford a few days in the Hospital. You defiantly can't afford a Heart attack associated cost, for example.
The cost to business for employees is going up and up to where it is unaffordable. Hospitals are not being paid by many. Hospitals pass along the cost to those that do pay.
This system was broke a long time ago.
I have heard many stories where somebody had a serious illness. Had to be out of work. So they could not pay their Insurance premiums. So the policy was canceled. The Hospital was stuck with the ever climbing cost because the patient surely couldn't afford them or the patient was denied certain life saving long term treatments needed for their illness. Now you are talking about kids left without a father and/or a mother.
We are talking in many cases about hard working people here who are caught up in a flawed system where they can't afford to be sick. WE are not talking about people who just wants hand outs. Many lives are being ruined. Things are going to get much worse as the cost continues to increase a lot faster than the increase in wages. Many don't care until it effects them or somebody they love. Sooner or later it will.
You get cancer. See if you can afford 50-50 or even 80-20? Sooner or later the Insurance coverage $$ will run out as the bill quickly runs to $1 million or more. Then you have those expensive meds.
I know a man who had low blood pressure. Treatment was $1000 per shot/dose that he had to have on a regular basis to continue living.
What are the solutions? Make the Insurance industry more competitive?? Government subsidized health insurance for the poor and middle class? Make it so everyone has to have health insurance--if you do that then there has to be quality cheap health insurance of some kind. Like I said, Hospitals pass along the cost of those that don't pay to those that do. I don't think free health care should be a option. Affordable should be an option
 

JustJason

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NOTHING is free Jason, and the ramifications and consequences of the program in your fine state are just now coming to light and fruition.

You are right, but to a degree you are not. It is free for me right now. I don't have to pay it back, it's paid for by the state, which pays for it via taxes.

But on the other hand. I just don't care.
I have that mentality that I want it now and don't care how it gets paid for, because that is the mentality of the state I live in. I need what is good for me, and screw everybody else that is not important to me. That is the mentality of the state also.

Here is another major problem with it.....

You go into an auto shop and before you ask for a repair, you can ask how much it is, they might not give you a quote, but most will give you a ballpark.

You go into a hospital, you need stitches, you ask, how much for the stitches (because maybe you do have to shop around, while your hand is bleeding out) and nobody there will tell you, or give you an estimate.

I had a lapse in my coverage a few months ago.
I also had to go to the hospital in the back of a bus. The ambulance was paid for by the town, as they offer it for free as a local service, along with EMT's. I spent less than 1 hour in the hospital for an "anxiety attack". When I got to the hospital, the nurses brought out all the disclaimer forms I had to sign before treatment. Before I signed them I specifically asked them how much it was going to cost me to be seen. The 2 nurses both told me "don't worry about it, you can't put a price on your life, money is not important".
3 weeks later the bill came in. It was 1000 bucks, for 45 minutes to talk to a halfwitted doctor. Well, I can put a price on my life, and money is important, and unless they are keeping you out of jail, nobody is worth 1000 bucks an hour.

Doc's and hospitals should be required to post their hourly rate, then everyone would know where the money really goes.
 

Bondo

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Doc's and hospitals should be required to post their hourly rate, then everyone would know where the money really goes.

Ayuh,... Amen to that....

Also,... Why do I have to pay DOUBLE the price in Cash, of somebody with insurance, for the Exact same care,..??
 

ezmobee

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Also,... Why do I have to pay DOUBLE the price in Cash, of somebody with insurance, for the Exact same care,..??

Actually that's backwards from what I typically hear. (Not disagreeing. I've heard people negotiating decent prices for stuff if paying cash)
 

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Actually that's backwards from what I typically hear. (Not disagreeing. I've heard people negotiating decent prices for stuff if paying cash)

Ayuh,... I'm sure there would be some negotiating goin' on if we're talkin' about a heart attack, or cancer treatments, as the dollar amounts will be astronomical..

I'm talkin' about a typical Er visit for gettin' a cut stitched, or a piece of crud outa your eye...

Alittle over a year ago, I got a speck of steel in my eye,...
I went to the er,..
For less than 10 minutes with the Pa, the bill was over a Grand...
What's Worse, she refered me to an eye doctor in the same building, but a private practice...
She did absolutely Nothing but look in my eye, 'n say she couldn't help..
That's a Grand to check my pulse, 'n blood pressure....:eek::mad::rolleyes:

Down the hall, 'n around the corner, the Doc removed the crud, 'n billed me $300. for his 20 minutes..
So,...
Lookin' at $1300. for this, 'n talkin' to the boss,...
He commented "Didn't that happen at work,..?? I'm insured for that, I'll take care of it"...
The insurance papers that crossed the desk indicated the total pay-off was the Doc.'s $300., 'n only $400. for the Er....
When it happens again,... I'll be by-passin' the Er, that's for sure...:rolleyes:

As for Jason's story,... I'll die before I call an ambulance myself...
I've been in 1 once,(again, work related)...
Hopefully the next 1 won't have the flashin' lights, 'n'll be painted Black...
 

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If a person is working and showing that they are poor on paper, they are not only defrauding the states Mass Health program, they are also not paying their share of state and federal taxes and giving a false report on their W-2.

When Mass Health originated in Massachustts in 2006, it was suppose to be funded by state taxes only. Guess what people, there is a little known fact, those of us that pay Fed Taxes through out the country, are paying for Mass Health to the sum of 400,000,000 as of last year, other wise Mass Health would be broke.


For those of us that work and pay taxes but do not have insurance for what ever reason and do not want to be hospital poor, may want to read the following.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
 

perchin

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Hmmm... If you look for them there are places that offer low-cost health care. A number of years ago I was laid off and didn't work enough hours that 6 months to keep my insurance. I also could not even think about affording cobra's ridiculous rates. I have a med that I will always need for life. I just went to the local health clinic that is just for the people whom have no coverage, and are not covered by medicaid, or medicare. My hour visit only cost me $28.00, and I walked out with 3 months worth of samples of the med. that I needed. All I had to do was look for it.;)
 

skargo

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Maybe if a Tylenol didn't cost $58, or a bag of saline wasn't $84, or if Doctors did it for reasons OTHER than the money...

As a self pay person, I have found I get charged more than the insurance companies most times. Very few will discount for cash.
 

perchin

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Maybe if a Tylenol didn't cost $58, or a bag of saline wasn't $84, or if Doctors did it for reasons OTHER than the money...

As a self pay person, I have found I get charged more than the insurance companies most times. Very few will discount for cash.

I've honestly found that to be the opposite in MI. In fact at my doctor's office, a normal weigh-in, vitals, and consult runs w/insurance right about $250.00. The same visit with at this same place, if you tell them you don't have insurance costs you $60.00. I use my insurance though cuz my office visits only cost me $25.00, my insurance picks up the $225.00. ;)
 

JustJason

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I think everybody can agree that the system sucks as a whole.

So there's 3 things you can do.
1. let yourself be taken advantage by it
2. take advantage of if
3. get all political about it and try to change it.

Which one is the easiest?

Don't get me wrong, I think talanted Dr's and nurses deserve to make money. They deserve to make more than I do, but the beurocracy behind it all is redonkulous.
 

roscoe

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So I guess you are going to continue to take advantage of it, and continue to perpetuate the problem, making it worse for your fellow citizens, children, and grandchildren. Well, good for you.
 

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Wow lots of posts, since I got back from vacation, 2 more pages.

I think I am going to see if I qualify for my g/f's employer's insurance as a "domestic partner", my only concern is she wants to go back to school to get her masters and what will we do for insurance then...hrmm...

Also in regards to doctors bills, both my sister and my old man are a doctor and they don't get as much as you think they would, if you take into account they work more than 40 hours a week and pay insane amounts for malpractice insurance. In some places, the cost of insurance is higher than the salary of the doctor, so either the doctor moves or gets a different job. $30,000/year for malpractice insurance isn't high and doctors who deliver babies can pay over $100,000 easily.

If I were to work over 80 hours a week that would be double the amount I make now + over time. Then I don't have to pay for malpractice insurance. I really didn't get to see my father a whole lot when I was younger. I would have easily traded that nice house, good clothes, and fancy restaurants for more time with the old man. Guess if you are working all the time, you don't have as much time to spend money, so when you do, you spend it on some things that are nice.
 

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This is an interesting thread. I am an executive in the insurance industry. NY is a difficult state to say the least due to its guaranteed issue status. The new PPACA will make it more difficult as more and more small and midsized carriers are forced to exit or merge with the larger carriers that are able to withstand the MLR requirements among a host of many other reasons. MLR refers to minimum medical loss ratio. I mean this in a nationwide sense. Many carriers have already been forced out but you generally won't hear about them. The situation today is great compared with what is upcoming. I can not express in any amount of words how egregious the PPACA is going to be for consumers and small and mid sized insurers alike. The few PPACA talking points that have been sold pale in comparison to the other 2000 plus pages of law and the many thousands of regulations that are being written now and well into the future. I think of it a little like when you are watching a horror movie and the main character doesn't know what is around the corner but the viewer does. I would search for an association based indemnity plan.
 
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