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[Fishbusters]

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On the Assult Rifle issue. I agree they are fun to shoot but if you take a good long look at one versus a usual hunting firearm you then begin to see what can be dangerous about them. For this I am using rifels Your typical hunting firearm has a total of 5 shots and is usually a bolt action meaning a follow up shot comes much slower than a semi auto they are designed for one thing accuracy. Your typical Assult Rifle has a 30 round clip is semi auto (with a little modifications fully auto) they are designed for one thing to put the maximum firepower at your disposal in order to kill your enemy. I think even the staunches defender of Assult Rifles have to agree with this much. I agree as said guns do not kill people. People kill people. But I also agree certian things make the goal of the people wanting to kill people easier. Now we can't ban everything and in fact I am not for banning any firearm but personally I can't see the reason to own a gun designed for the sole purpose of killing people. And before we go off and say that is what pistols are for and I do carry one you are wrong there. I have used my pistol for dispatching more snakes than I can recall. When hunting I used one as a back up weapon because a final killing shot could be administered with it in a controled location causing a quick clean kill versus blasting away with the shotgun agian. If someone can quote a use a true assult rifle was made for other than target shooting and killing people let me know.

 

[mellowyellow]

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that's a good point peter, where do you draw the<br />line? assualt rifles? grenade lauchers? surface<br />to air missles? other than the military, who really needs them?<br />it's one thing to have some protection or a<br />gun to hunt with, but come on.

 

[Moose_Miller]

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Let's take a look at guns in current events. The D.C. sniper had a bolt action rifle - but could have used a single shot. What should be done is NOT control the guns, just make extreme penalties to those who use a gun to break the law. I think if we left John Mohammed or people like him swinging from a rope on the steps of congress for a week or so, we'd get our point across before long.

 

[Homerr]

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Wow..Wouldn't a sam site be perfect for home defense? I personally like the flamethrower. Try to attack against one of those!<br /><br />Good point Moose. It's my belief that if you take a life, you give yours. End of story.<br />Now you have the lawyers and such. Ok fine. Give them EXACTLY 1 year to debate their case. If you cannot prove you didn't do the killing, then your dead and burried.<br />How much of the trash does the American people have to pay for that's sitting in prison?<br /><br />LOL!<br /><br />One thing that really pisse s me off is when the media is so quick to point out the the type of weapon used during a crime involving a weapon.<br />The assualt rifle of course is at the top. <br />You know who really cares? It involved a gun, someone is dead or injured. Yes a gun did it. Does it matter what type? Do they even bother to point out a HUMAN pulled the trigger and thereby discharged such weapon?<br /><br />Not just assualt rifles either. Not too long back, they were quick to point out a '.357 Magnum' with cop killer rounds...yada yada yada..<br /><br />How many people have been killed with rocks and spears? Bare hands? And even water?<br /><br />Let's ban those too. <br /><br />Guess I'll go get my permit for some water now.... <br /><br />We're all going to be invaded by Saddam anyways and forced to read from the karan (or however you spell it) Hahahah<br /><br />Thanks for the replies folks...Love a good debate once in a while...<br /><br />H.

 

[bobber head]

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At some point operational firearms, in the hands and homes of the masses, will become a thing of the past.<br /><br />They will be on display at some museum: right next to the "catapult" and "Pot of boiling oil".<br /><br />But with human nature being what it is about killing, I am sure someone will come up with a new and improved weapon to carry around until that too becomes outlawed.<br /><br />IMO, going after bear with a sharpend stick is "hunting": rifles and shotguns are fish in a barrel.

 

[Ross J]

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I've been shot at a few times, I've been hit once. I didn't immediately fire back, but I'll tell you what, a few minutes later when the perpetrator/s walk up to examine the mess they get a heck of a shock to be instantly looking down the barrel of a rifle whilst their own has been spirited away. You can just smell the fear, and see the pee as they become sniviling wimps.<br />The bravado taken away from them there's little difference from a lot of other folk out there.<br />They live a dream which is based on ego and movieland brainwashing. <br />Reality is forever and should all ease fail then reality is where they would have to survive. I have seen nasty men beg for mercy when they had shown none for the victim/s.<br />I believe there to be no answer to this question, there is no way to impliment any new laws so the "bad guys" comply. Legislate away and watch your sport get more expensive but the crim will still have a gun!<br />It all comes down to education, from birth to adulthood. A responsible parent teaches his/her young to respect others freedom and not to invade it with crime and abuse. Likewise they teach them to appreciate their own space and benifit from the freedoms available to the individual. <br />This is generally the reflection I see here in New Zealand, although we too have our share of firearm offences.<br />I have never experienced trouble when with like minded folk hunting or otherwise I've enjoyed the days or weeks out with firearms. I've only ever had trouble when with folk I don't know and they've either acted up or just proven to be bloody idiots. <br />The trouble is education.<br />The answer is parenting.<br />The remedy is teaching parents to parent.<br />A child who has respect for their parents wishes would not act in a manner which is oppisitional to their basic instinct without recourse to massive input from external influences.<br />Ross

 

[jee70611]

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Amen to that Ross. The liberal media wants you to believe that guns are evil. Guns aren't evil. The one with evil intentions behind the gun is evil. As I said on a previous topic, "I could go down to Home Depot. Buy a sixteen penny nail gun, a box of finishin' nails, and an air compressor. Pull the safety back on that baby with a claw hammer, and keep you out of my yard for two and a half hours. It wouldn't be long before some little twelve year-old'll shoot his bible class up with a box of finishin' nails. Then they'd be after pass load nail guns." They'd say, "The American economy's got to go back to the hammer and nails. The pass load nail gun is killin' our children. It don't matter that you'll have smiley faces on your base boards, we gotta go back to 'em." I think the root of the problem is the fact that many of today's parents are failing to raise their kids with good moral values, just as has already been said. What do y'all think?

 

[naughtybynature]

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well up here in canada where violence is non- existent and we all love each other, guns do not have a place in our civilized society....

 

[JB]

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Hahaha! <br /><br />All bowhunters, huh?

 

[mattttt25]

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let's imagine for one second...<br /><br />a united states where no one but the police and military have guns. bad guys can't get them because they're so well controlled.<br /><br />how would the crime rates be affected? would murders go down? would people feel safer? sure, billy bob wouldn't be able to blast bambi and hang her head on his wall, but maybe it would be worth it....<br /><br />just a thought

 

[JB]

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Well, if we are going to visit fantasy world, why not just all become bulletproof?<br /><br />Australia and the UK have tried it. Guess what? Now only the bad guys have guns.

 

[trollhole]

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Well ya'll knew I would eventually see this post and have to put my two cents in.<br /><br />Assault rifles and handguns ought to be banned period. They serve only one purpose and that's to kill people period. Rifles and shotguns are a different story. They serve a dual purpose killing people and killing animals. And there are a lot of hunters I wouldn't want to pi#$ off if we took there guns away. Hunting is a way of life and will always be.<br /><br />And you can say you can cut them down and make a handgun with them but they still won't be as small as a real handgun. I'd like to see a criminal stick a cut of bolt action riffle down his pants. <br /><br />And as far as assault rifles being fun shooting. They sure are but so are motars and hand grenades. But you don't see us being able to have those. If you like shooting assault rifles join the army! Do us all a favor and go kill someone who deserves it.<br /><br />Now before you get all mad at me and send me nasty responses I'm just giving my opinion and thats all I'm not trying to make anyone mad and not directing this at one person.

 

[jee70611]

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JB, I think we both have the same opinion on this issue. I just wish more would realise the reality of it all. Trollhole, I can respect your opinion. All I ask is that you and others who believe the same as you respect mine . I'm not saying you haven't because you have so far. Let's keep this going. Everyone, please be respectful of others . <br /><br />James

 

[DJ]

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Trollhole,<br /><br />I do not necessarily outright disagree with you.<br /><br />Where it gets sticky is in the definitions of said "types" of firearms.<br /><br />By some definitions, my Browning .22LR rifle repeater is an "assault" weapon. About the only thing I can "assault" with that is a squirrel.<br /><br />We have plenty of laws on the books that would just about completely clean things up-if we ENFORCED them. But, we don't. Even when we try, we get into interpretation and emotion (emphasis on emotion) and let the facts slip away. <br /><br />I fear that very few lawmakers today make decisions based upon fact. They make them based upon emotion, which is dangerous. <br /><br />That is why our forefathers made this (US) form of government a representative republic and NOT a true democracy. In a true democracy there would be "mob rule" and mobs tend to run with emotion.

 

[NOSLEEP]

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I recently returned from a hunting trip near the saskatchewan , alberta border. I was amused to find posted on several land owners property.<br /><br />NO HUNTING WITH REGISTERED FIREARMS.<br />NO REGISTERED FIRE ARMS PERMITTED.

 

[jee70611]

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That's a good point on the "mob rule" djohns. On a side note, a lot of people out there want to do away with the Electoral College. The Electoral College exists as a part of our "checks and balances" system. Without it, some of the smaller states would not have as much of a voice in the government. So, for those of you who didn't know that, that is why we have it.<br /><br />James

 

[trollhole]

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So what defines a assault rifle? There has to be some sort of special feature?

 

[DJ]

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trollhole,<br /><br />In some areas an "assualt weapon" is one that carries over ten rounds in the magazine. My little .22 carries 15 long rifle cartridges.<br /><br />There are other definitions also. Perhaps some others have more examples.

 

[bKelly]

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Gun Control: Holding your gun with both hands and hitting what you are aiming at. <br /><br />I am with MM on the "Swinging on a rope". I think a good ol-fashion neck stretching would help deter many killers. When they are caught, they put in jail at the taxpayers expense and many are returned back to the streets. I don’t think we need any new laws, just enforce the ones we have and punish the violators.

 

[JB]

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Today, 11-25-02, in Dallas, TX a homeowner interrupted a burglar in his home and shot him.<br /><br />The burglar attempted to escape but crashed his car. He is expected to recover from his wounds to face charges.<br /><br />Lousy shot. <br /><br />Though Texas law allows persons to use deadly force to defend property and life, the homeowner can expect to be sued for injuries he inflicted on the poor, defenseless (well, not quite) guy who got lost in his front room.<br /><br />Like I said, lousy shot.