Got me a Starchief

starcraftkid

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Looking good so far!



The rear compartment under the splashwell had two sliding panels, they were made of Masonite or perforated peg board and painted white on mine. The sliders on my SS were vinyl covered 1/2" plywood with perforated aluminum vents in the middle. I tossed them in favor of a vinyl curtain with snaps. They got in my way when standing at the back of the boat fishing. (My big feet hit the panels). There was a top and bottom extruded track. I also figured that not having a hard rear panel would help to not trap any gas vapors back there.

The cabin door was plywood hinged on the port side with a small sliding window. The door opening was framed in aluminum on some years. I've seen some people replace the door with an accordion type door as well.
 

rheagler

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Thanks.
The top track for the sliding panels is still there. I just wasn't sure if it was original. I'm leaning toward new sliding panels, but I like your idea of the curtain with snaps.
I'm making a new cabin door from mahogany recycled from a boat I built in the 80's. It will have a removable plexiglass window and screen. Hopefully I will be able to finish that this week. Here is a pic of the door so far...
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starcraftkid

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I like the idea of a larger window in the door, those cabins need all the ventilation they can get on a hot day.
I've considered making mine removable since when it's open it opens into the passenger seat. When these were new, they had only a single jump seat for the driver, so the door folded all the way open to the left.
I have also thought about making the window in my original door larger, maybe a port hole shaped window.
 

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Deadwood did the porthole thing on his Starchief and it came out pretty cool looking. i need a lockable solid door for when i leave it parked in Mexico, but also made up a "screen door" for the cabin...plan is to attach it to the hinges with bolts and wingnuts, so i can swap doors as part of my pre-trip prep. the original on my 64 isn't even mounted solidly, just drops into some wood chocks in the doorway, so anything on a hinge will be an improvement.

that mahogany door is looking great!
 

rheagler

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Thanks for the replys.
I tried to find pics of Deadwood's boat, but came up empty. I'd like to see the porthole thing.
I thought about making the door removable with the fancy lift off hinges. If I change my mind about how to do seats I'll upgrade to that later. For now the plan is to make fold down jump seats like the original driver one, but on both sides. Does anybody have a pic of what they looked like? I did manage to stain the door, but it's supposed to rain all week so I don't know about getting any varnish on it. I may have to get some kind of canopy/tent so I can work on the boat in the rain. I fear winter approaching too fast.
 

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I've got two ideas for a work canopy, the first is made with 2" pvc, I put one length in the bow stand upright tube, up to a good working height, add a 90 degree elbow, and secure the other end to a buiding or tree with a conduit clamp. Then just drape abig tarp over it. You can hold down the edges with stakes or bricks.
****'s Sporting Goods has an Easy Up canopy on sale for $60, it's a 10x10' and a dome top 10'x10' for $100. They also sell larger versions.

I have both, the PVC tent works well for all around cover too, plus, PVC is cheap. I got 21' lengths for $12 at the plumbing supply.

The original seat was made from the same tubing as the railing, I've not yet seen one that wasn't broken. Look in the brochure pics, a few years show views of the seat.
The seat surface was about 4" above the gunwale height, there was a leg that hinged under, and the seat itself resembled an old vinyl kitchen chair from the 60's. The back folded down and the seat dropped down and hung folded on the side. There was a foot rest below the dash.
The first issue I had was that the seat's position interfered with what I felt was a comfortable shifter height. I used pedestals on a riser about 12" tall.
These boats have poor forward visibility, so you want a tall seat to see the water ahead. The factory seat was just not a good set up in my opinion. I'm 6'3" tall and it was no where's near high enough for me.
 

rheagler

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From your description I can see why it seems no original seat setups exist anymore. I'll come up with something. Don't really know what yet, but something.
 

slowleak

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Bighoss, if I had the extra cash I would go for a bigger motor. I don't think I could sell the 50 for enough to upgrade and I know what I have with it. When I got it it was a mess. Now it runs great and is reliable. The Starchief is lighter than the 15' fiberglass boat I had before, so I think I'll be ok. I'll know for sure when it goes in the water.

If your 50hp Merc runs good, why not look for another matching 50hp Merc and run twin motors?
There's enough room on that transom for two and twins would certainly add a degree of insurance on the water, as well as look super cool on that boat.
 

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why not look for another matching 50hp Merc and run twin motors?

$4/gallon gas?:eek:




SCkid is likely right on the stock seats, but if you want some pics of stockers in good shape, let us know. one other thing on them: when i pulled my teak side rail trims to refinish, i found that the aluminum behind the bracket where the seat bases attach to the side rail was starting to tear through.....so take a flashlight and check this area carefully if you're going to use it for support of any seats.
 

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50hp twins would be very cool, nice boat. just run one when trolling!
 

rheagler

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Starcraftkid : I just picked up a 8x10 ezup type canopy from Lowes, I'll see how that works. At least I can treat it as a business expense.

slowleak: Twins would be cool. I have thought about it, but Barato has a good point about the gas. But then again, they wouldn't be working as hard together as a single....

Barato2: I would love to see a good pic of the stock setup, and I have looked at the aluminum where they would attach. It is in good shape but I would still beef it up a bit.

As things are now though, there is so much junk in the river from all the rain that the ramp is totally choked up. It looks like you can walk on the river.
 

starcraftkid

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I had twin 60hp Evinrude two cylinder motors on an old aluminum trihull years ago, it came that way. It wasn't bad on gas at all, in fact, after one motor threw a rod, I replaced the pair with a single 115 Evinrude and that burned at least double the fuel.
I really liked the control you have with twin motors but it does mean twice the upkeep. Two water pumps, two props, two sets of carbs, two sets of cables, etc.
It was quicker with the single motor, but all around it was a better boat with two motors.

The 8x10 canopies were made for flea markets and tailgate parties since they fit in an 8' parking space. A buddy of mine does sports collectible shows and has a 20x20 easy up canopy, it's nice but if the wind catches one that big, there's no way to save it.

I made spikes out of 1/2" rebar with foot bars on them and handles on top that I used to hold mine in place. I have about 18" or so in the ground. The rebar goes down through the holes in the tabs on each leg. I used 1x2" bar stock for the foot plate, which allows me to use my foot to insert each stake in the ground. It was a better option than trying to keep a cement block on each leg when the wind blows.

I was up above Trenton on Wed, the Delaware was really moving and there was plenty of junk in the water where I was, up around Yardley. That area looked more like jet drive territory though to me?
How far up is the river navigable?
 

rheagler

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The tide water ends at the Calhoun St bridge in Trenton. I have seen some people go north of that in small jet drive boats, there are lots of large rocks. I won't go past the railroad bridge which is maybe 1/4 mile south of that. Call me chicken if you want, but I don't want to dodge the rocks!
If there is still too much junk in the river to launch today, at least I'll get some more work done to the boat. And some more pics.
 

rheagler

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Bad news is that the boatramp was still clogged up today and there was still too much junk floating in the river for my comfort.
The good news is that I got some more stuff accomplished on the boat. The new mahogany door is now installed, I got the first coat of varnish on the cabin wall, windshield reassembled, fishfinder installed and the ultra loud obnoxious horns installed. Here are the pics of the day...
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ezmobee

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Your cabin walls look beautiful! Very nice work.
 

rheagler

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Thanks ez. All I did was scrape, stain & varnish. I know I'm going to have to replace them in a couple years.
 

starcraftkid

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Your lucky you had walls to refinish, mine were rotted away when I found mine. Nothing but wood soup in the bilge. I didn't even have the old one's to use as a pattern. If I were to do it again, I'd have covered the back wall in fiberglass sheeting and eliminated the need to refinish it every few years. I figured that thin bathroom enclosure sheeting would have worked well. I also thought about using expanded PVC panel for the rear walls but at $350 per sheet, that idea died real quick.
 

rheagler

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My walls do have a little rot action going on on the inside of the cabin, under the gunwales I guess would be the technical term. I'll probably end up replacing them in a couple years.
$350 per sheet? I got a couple sheets of 1/2" Azek a couple years ago for a job and if I remember right it was about $100 for a 4x8. I didn't price 3/4" but I wouldn't think it would be that much more. Is the expanded PVC something similar to Azek?
 

starcraftkid

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I'm not sure if it's the same as Azek?

Here's the link: http://www.certainteed.com/products/trim/sheets/317655

I used it on a smaller boat as a deck, in 3/4", but had a 'sample' sheet that someone had damaged on one edge. I was told that it wouldn't hold any weight but it's held up just fine. I wouldn't use it as flooring in a house but in a small boat where weight is distributed evenly on the water, it's been fine. It's far lighter than wood, it floats, and is super rigid. It don't hold screws well but I riveted mine down. It takes paint fine, and the wood grain version is less slippery.

I called today to verify the price and it's $366.79 per 4x8" sheet of 3/4" at a local lumber yard, and they only carry 3/4" with the wood grain.

Is Azek a cellular PVC sheet? I was told by a buddy that he thought Lowe's or Home Depot sold something similar to the Certainteed pvc sheet but I've never seen it there. At $366 per sheet, I'd use aluminum first.
I'm about to re-deck a boat I've got here and have been seriously considering aluminum diamond plate over tubular aluminum cross braces. The goal would be to eliminate all wood from the boat, and maybe even save some weight at the same time.
What I liked about the Certainteed sheeting is that it's super rigid, it's got far less flex than comparable wood. If you look at a cross section, it looks almost like foam with a hard skin on both sides but its molded or extruded, so it's all one material throughout. I liked the idea that it floats, the boat I'm working on is aluminum with no lower flotation foam, and no room to add very much foam. Every little bit of flotation would help.

Cost wise I still think aluminum will be cheaper, the only price info I could find online was on a few contractor forums which talked about 3/8" being over $200 per sheet in Azek, so my bet would be that it's on par cost wise with the stuff I found.

My biggest issue with aluminum is both that it's slippery when wet, and its a conductor of heat and without the proper coating could make the boat very hot in the sun. The last thing I want is to be standing out on the water atop a giant heat reflector on a hot day. The cost of properly painting and priming aluminum has to be considered as well.

For my rear wall on the SC, the PVC sheet sounded like a suitable option but I also thought about just building a rear wall much like you would in an RV, with 1x1" tubing and a lighter sheeting, maybe even fiberglass.
Mine is done with wood for now and just painted with deck paint as is the floor. It was what I had, and still have. (Someone gave me about 40 gallons of old oil base porch and floor enamel. It's a no name paint but what ever it is, it don't seem to wear. I painted a wood engine stand I built with the stuff, and some got on the concrete on the loading dock at work, right in front of the main overhead door where it gets driven over all day long and those spots look the same 3 years after the fact. It took a week for it to dry but it's there for ever. I only wish it were a shade or two lighter. It's a medium gray, sort of a charcoal gray color. I sprinkled floor grip 'sand' over the second coat real light and got good results. The nice part about paint is that all it takes to make it look good again is a brush or roller and some drying time.
 

rheagler

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Azek is cellular PVC also. You can see all the specs etc at www.azek.com. A 4x8 of 3/4 azek is 69 lbs, if I read the specs right of the Certainteed stuff that weighs 80 lbs per sheet. It also is available in smooth or woodgrain and takes paint well. I wouldn't call it rigid though, it is pretty flexible in large pieces. I will call my supplier and see what it is going for these days. For the cabin wall though you could use 2 layers, 3/8 ply on inside and 3/8 cellular pvc on the outside.
 
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