GLUVIT How good is this stuff? Aluminum transom repair

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I am replacing my transom on my 16ss and the wood was really wet and caused alot of pitting on the aluminum.Will gluvit seal the small holes and craters in the aluminum or should I epoxy them first and then apply gluvit also what should I use on the white powder corrosion to stop it from spreading.
 

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Hi 16. Welcome to iboats. You don't can't use Gluvit on wood. It's an epoxy that you paint on the interior seams of aluminum boats after they have been properly cleaned and prepped. It starts out with the consistency of honey to fill all of the nooks and crannies in the seams, but dries strong and flexible enough to move with the seams of the boat while on the water. It does need UV protection however, so you'll need to either paint the seams and/or install a floor over them.

You mentioned lots of pitting, which is the tell tale sign that someone used pressure treated lumber on an aluminum boat which is the number one NO-NO. You NEVER use PRESSURE TREATED lumber on an aluminum boat as the chemicals used to preserve the wood can/will have an electrolytic reaction with the aluminum. Any small holes in the transom can be filled with JB weld either putty or liquid form. If you have holes larger than say a dime, you'll probably want to have them welded up by a pro.

You can replace and seal the transom several different ways. You need to us high quality, non-PT, exterior grade plywood such as Aurauco brand which is available at places like Lowes/HD. You can also use Marine Grade plywood if you can get it and don't mind the price, but it's not needed. Once you have the plywood, use the old transom as a template, if possible. You'll probably need to glue several layers together to get the desired thickness. You can use Titebond III and/or epoxy along with some Stainless Steel screws to hold the layers together until the glue cures. Once the glue is set, you'll then want to seal the wood in one of several ways. You can use spreadable 2-part epoxy available at places like West Marine and other suppliers and apply 1-2 coats to the transom and let cure. You can also use wax-free, polyester resin and fiberglass mat to encapsulate the transom. It's a little cheaper than epoxy, but it can be messy and tricky to use. If the budget won't allow either of these options, you can also use several coats (3-4) of Spar Urethane/Varnish and/or Exterior Porch Paint and/or Rustoleum Professional Oil based enamel they won't quite waterproof it, but you should still be able to get many good seasons of use out of them. You'll then need to mount it to the transom using Stainless Steel hardware dipped in 3m 5200 marine sealant, which is like caulk for boats. You can get a toothpaste size tube at lowes/HD for about $7. Lowes/HD are also a great source for aluminum angle, stock and hardware. In fact, about the only things you can't get from them are the epoxy and/or f'glass supplies, but they have pretty much everything else, which is handy. That's really about it; Never use PT lumber, seal all wood, use stainless steel hardware dipped in 3M 5200 throughout. The rest is only limited by your imagination and budget. Good luck holler if you get stuck.
 

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id wire brush the white poweder all out....scrap up the inside real good...Id grind with a sander all the pitted areas, and smooth them all over with marine tex or 5200....let dry completely. the red 5200 is 24 hour cure. the blue is 7 day cure!! dont layer the 5200 too thick because it might interfere with sliding the transom boar back down. then you can do the glove it or any other aluminum primer.

if you use the 5200, you dont need the gluv it, fior its sealing effect...

but i would cover the bare aluminum with something...so water isnt held against it for weeks and weeks....especially the salt water.

at the marine store they has a spray can product that i used after i sand blasted the lower unit case on my outboard....it was like a special primer for under water things....then you can coat over it...and its easy to apply being a spray can....

the can i used was an Interlux product I think....

you could use any zinc based primer, and then top coat with what ever you like.

that should seal up your transom and help protect it.

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Re: GLUVIT How good is this stuff? Aluminum transom repair

Wow, thanks for the information I should have posted some questions along time ago.I already bilt my transom with marine ply and used titebond III to glue it together. I guess my real problem is the white powder corrosion it is very hard to get it all out of each crater is there some chemical that will soak into it and stop it from doing more damage? or now that it is dry will it stop eating my transom aluminum ?
 

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Where is the corrosion appearing, exactly? Did you seal the Marine Plywood in any way? Do you have any pics? Based on your description, the only reason you would be getting any corrosion is if you had dissimilar metals coming into contact with one another. Did you use Stainless Steel hardware as suggested? While it is not aluminum, it will not cause a galvanic reaction that could lead to pitting. Dipping any/all hardware in 3M 5200 will not only seal them but also help to reduce contact between the SS and aluminum. I'm not sure 5200 is the best products for your seams. I would go with Gluvit, but you will need to clean the seams thoroughly with a wire brush and acetone before you apply it per the previous post. Once it cures, you'll then need to give it some UV protection in the form of paint, or cover. A light coat of Self-etching Zinc Chromate aluminum primer will then allow you to apply any top coat you like.
 
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The corrosion is on the inside where the wood rests against the outer aluminum transom it is the worst where the outboard is bolted to the transom or the center of the transom.I have allready purchased one gallon of gluvit my plan was to use it on the inside and outside of transom Aluminum and to seal the wood with it as well.
 
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My boat is actually a sylvan super sportster they may have used treated wood when they built the boat I dont know but it is definitly the wood that caused this corrosion.I started using my dremmel and small burr to clean the white corosion and and i found I could chase pockets of it pretty deep if not some through the hull largest hole is 1/8 dia and 6 holes so far just wondering if I need to do all this or if there is a better way?
 

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You don't need, or want to seal the wood, or aluminum transom with Gluvit. It's not inbtended for those uses and won't work for either application. Only apply Gluvit to the riveted seams and ribs of the boat. You should really only need about 1 qt. to do the whole job. The wood needs be sealed with either epoxy, resin and f'glass, spar urethane or exterior paint before you install it in the boat. Applying these products with the transom in place will not seal it fully, and will simply allow rot to take hold from the rear. Any holes in the aluminum need to be patched with JB weld marine epoxy and/or welded by a professional.
It's hard to tell without any pics, but corrosion is due to the galvanic reaction between dissimilar metals. Does the boat currently have pressure treated lumber in it? If so, that's what's causing the corrosion, namely the aluminum in your hull and the metallic preservatives in pressure treated wood (Copper, Arsenic). Again, make sure any and all wood is Non-PT, completely sealed and installed with Stainless Steel Hardware dipped in 3M 5200 marine caulk. IF you follow these steps you will not have any corrosion issues going forward.
 
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The old transom wood is out along with the splashwell I have the new one cut and glued I just need to seal it and drill all the holes in it for bolts. I am trying to seal the outside rear aluminum (back of the boat) with gluvit and JB weld for the pitting /small holes I thought I could use gluvit to seal every thing?
 
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I am new to site and am having problems with pictures if I were to describe it it would look like the surface of the moon!
 

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Nope. Only apply Gluvit to the seams and fill any holes with JB weld marine epoxy putty. Gluvit won't do any good on the outer skin of the transom and will likely just run off before it can dry properly which will only leave you with a very large, very difficult mess to clean up. After your thoroughly clean and wipe down the transom with acetone, you can give it a light dusting of Self-etching, Zinc Chromate aluminum primer, allow it to dry, then paint any color you like. There are several brands of marine paint you can use (rustoleum, interlux, etc...) over the primer and they come in any color you want.
The other option is to simply leave the transom raw aluminum. This will not harm the boat in any way and the aluminum will develop a natural, protective patina. You can also polish the aluminum to a shiny, mirror finish like an old airstream camper. It's a lot of work to get and maintain, but it sure does look cool. Just use the techniques and procedures I've previously listed and you'll be good to go.
 
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so I cant seal the outside with gluvit and then paint over it for uv protection leaving it polished aluminum is not an option as that is what it is lacking.
 

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what surface exactly are you talking about sealing? the inner surface of the transom aluminum, or the outer surface? I think you should dig out as much powder as possible...with a wire brush , either by hand or mechanically.....first it might continure to eat away, and or it will surely not let anything you cover it with stick!!!!!! its like painting a sandy beach....the wind blows the painted and away and you are left with no covering...

you have to close up all those porous pitting...especially since it has eaten holes as big as 1/8th.. you could cover that area with thin aluminum sheet and 5200 it to the original aluminum.

you could have a welder try and patch it ..

its tough bcause you cant build up the inside surface...because you need that flat to mate with your new transom wood.. i am at almost the same exact spot on my boat...the spash well is out the rotted wood is out..the inside if just open ribs. i am grinding and sanding away all power oxides, and getting down to bare clean aluminum in all cases... i had about 10 holes drilled in my transom that dont need to be there...these holes are whaere water intruded and thus caused the process of the aluminum to dissolve and turn to powder..

so i spread 5200 on the inside thin and on the outside to cover the holes and a small area surrounding the holes...Ill add another layer later on the outerskin. down the middle the previous owners drilled a bunch of holes in pattern that doesnt match the transom brace...and in and and around the Motor bolt pattern....have no idea why...i am going to sandwich a 1/8th sheet of aluminum over the whole area....it will stifen the are where the motor mounts and seal all those misc holes...


what i did , was before i sealed my wood , i insatlled and drilled ALL the holes ill want...then took it out and sealed. that way i am sealing inside surfaces of the holes....so no water seeps into my wood from that source for some reason.....

I actually drilled the motor bolt holes larger in the wood than 1/2. i drilled them3/4. i am going to insert an aluminum tube for the bolts to go through before i install the wood....the tubes will be sealed to the wood...and then ill goop up the bolts with sealant when I install the motor....all to keep the wood from getting wet.


good luck

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Bob,
I was just searching around and found out that it is called crevice corrosion! It is formed when water sits along time and gets depleted of oxygen and becomes acidic.the worst area is were the motor was bolted to the transom!I have 1/2 inch plate of aluminum that I will be useing for that piece of wood or spreader plate on the outside of the hull I am going to gulvit the whole thing to seal it and then paint the outside of the boat transom the rest of my aluminum looks brand new stringers ect, The other site also said to clean with vinager and water I think im on the right path for now.
 

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I wouldnt bother gluvit ing it.....wow did i type that?

you dont need it on the outside of the transom!!

glue the 1/2" aluminum to the back and then it will get sandwiched between the motor and the transom...to help keep it there..

add additional bolts at the corners...

the outside of the boat , you only need to prep and prime and paint.

I bet you got the powder because wood was sandwiched up against the aluminum skin....and that wood soaked up water...

Id seal the inside of the aluminum transom, before I installed my new transom wood...

even if it is just paint....its something...it appears the factory left it raw aluminum.

. I am going to prime and paint mine, cant hurt i guess.

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Bob,
We are definitly on the same page I do want to paint/seal the inside of the transom I have a gallon of gulvit for this. KFA4303 said the gulvit would not basicly work on a verticle surface is this true ? I have no experience with gulvit but I am going to try useing light coats I dont want to have to mess with this again down the road. Thanks
 

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so I cant seal the outside with gluvit and then paint over it for uv protection leaving it polished aluminum is not an option as that is what it is lacking.


Correct. You can't, don't, shouldn't coat the transom, or any wood products with Gluvit, only the seams of the boat. Then paint over the seams and/or cover them with a floor to provide UV protection for the Gluvit. If you want to paint the boat/transom, all you need to do is sand off any rough, loose paint with 220 grit paper, wipe the surface down with acetone then apply a light layer of Zinc Chromate primer and paint it any color you like. Believe it or not, you can also make it shiny by sanding it down with progressively finer girt paper up to 1000 grit and beyond, you'd then need to use polishing compound and a buffing wheel. If you have the time and patience you can make it shine like a mirror.

To recap: Gluvit the SEAMS of the boat ONLY, NOT the entire transom and never on the outside of the boat, then paint over the Gluvit after it fully cures for UV protection. Only use non-PT wood and seal it completely. Use Stainless Steel hardware throughout (preferably dipped in 3M 5200). 5200 is really more of a adhesive/caulk/sealant and is not meant to seal holes in the transom. Instead, any large holes in the transom should be filled with JB weld epoxy and/or welded. If you're worried about water being trapped along the sides of the transom again, you trim an 1/8" off around the perimeter of the new transom you made to allow for water and air circulation. That's all there is to it.
 

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Use a wire cup brush on a drill or angle grinder to clean your pitting, then use JB weld or another epoxy type metal filler to fill your pits.

You can seal your transom wood with the gluvit if you want, if it works on seams and rivets it'll work on your wood too. Did you get the regular gluvit or the gluvit epoxy sealer?

Gluvit on the outside of your transom wouldn't be a good idea, just fill your pits and paint with an aluminum primer and then a top coat of good marine paint.
 
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The can says waterproof epoxy sealer Gluvit.I did not know there were to different ones?
 

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It is my understanding that unsealed plywood, whether or not pressure treated, can cause pin holes in aluminum. Something about moisture/resins from the glue reacting with the aluminum.

I had pinholes on my transom that I covered with Marine Tex (after appropriate surface prep). Its been on for over a year now and still holding up. See before and after photos (the Marine Tex was supposed to be grey - that's not my conception of grey - but, it seems to work).
 

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