Evangelical Ted Haggard

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But niether is polishin tools and rollin cigars sex.
Of course everything depends upon the definition of "is". :)
 

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Haut said:
Yeah, but he didn't marry him!d:)

Before I finished reading Rolmops post I thought I would post yhe same remarks as Haut. I was even thinking of Haut when I conjured it. Look^...he be me to it. Like Rush ( MaHa Rushie ) I am also able to predict the words of the liberal...lol8) Good l;ine Haut..
 

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[/quote]Fair questions both, rodbolt. [/quote]

Ummm,that was rolmops.You must be missin ole rodbolt.8)
 

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ob said:
Ummm,that was rolmops.You must be missin ole rodbolt.8)
o0oops! thanks, ob.how 'embracing'... :) my bad,me fix.

 

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"I get absolutely furious that the likes of you continually use the example of a fallen angel to denounce the validity of the precepts of Christianity"


I get equally furious when a man hides behind religion in order that others believe he is something he is not, and to hide what he truly is.
 

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CJY said:
I get equally furious when a man hides behind religion in order that others believe he is something he is not, and to hide what he truly is.

Men hide behind all kinds of professional masks and are not what they pretend to be.While society may hold him to a higher order,he's just a man and is no more accountable than you and I in the eyes of our maker.I am at least relieved for a change that the allegations didn't include a minor,if there is a silver lining to this affair.
 

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I don't believe he was ever an angel either. Maybe the devil disguised as one though.
 

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He denies having sex with the guy. He claims he was just buying meth from him....that he didn't even use.
Denyed it was a sex act and didn't inhale......8)
 

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Remember the show the Waltons? The whole family went to church every Sunday, except for John Walton (Jr.). His thinking was that god is everywhere and to be appreciated every day in every day things, not just once a week in a church.

Personally, I've always found churchs to be uncomfortable and subscribed to the same thinking - and every scandal that comes along reminds me of the wisdom of that approach.

Power corrupts, and the power derived by religion corrputs just as readily as any other.

Faith and religion are 2 different things. Religion is the use of faith to influence human behavior. When done by corrupt people it is done for corrupt reasons.

This guy is just the latest in a series of hypocritical freaks and for some reason the more "religious" among us just keep giving these creeps money, power, and influence.

Too many people think they need a church to tell them how to live right.
 

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Yes Ted Haggard screwed up big, Yes he let everybody down, yes its kinda hypocritical SP? to engage in the activities he did and then speak out against Gay marrage ( Even though they are two diffent things) And yes, he set himself up.........But that is no reason to judge the church or Christianity. Ted Haggard is not Jesus......He is asinner like every other person on this planet.....Jesus is they only one that was and is perfect. Ted is just a man...one who has problems just like we all do.

Men in high places have much responsabily and like Art said a pastor should hold himself to a higher Standard, but we all screw up. He is not a crook, just has some issues.

Terry I agree with alot of what you wrote but, There are many good churches out there and a "Functioning" church should do alot more than tell us how to live.....Fellowship among other Christians, Teaching, Equiping us to witness, Giving us a place to worship together and help us when we are in need.
Power, money and sex all corrept great men but dont through the baby out with the bathwater right? I dont need church for any of the things I listed abouve and there are many "types" of churches.........
 

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mikeandronda said:
Yes Ted Haggard screwed up big, Yes he let everybody down, yes its kinda hypocritical SP? to engage in the activities he did and then speak out against Gay marrage ( Even though they are two diffent things) And yes, he set himself up.........But that is no reason to judge the church or Christianity. Ted Haggard is not Jesus......He is asinner like every other person on this planet.....Jesus is they only one that was and is perfect. Ted is just a man...one who has problems just like we all do.

Men in high places have much responsabily and like Art said a pastor should hold himself to a higher Standard, but we all screw up. He is not a crook, just has some issues.

Terry I agree with alot of what you wrote but, There are many good churches out there and a "Functioning" church should do alot more than tell us how to live.....Fellowship among other Christians, Teaching, Equiping us to witness, Giving us a place to worship together and help us when we are in need.
Power, money and sex all corrept great men but dont through the baby out with the bathwater right? I dont need church for any of the things I listed abouve and there are many "types" of churches.........

Excellent response, bravo!!
 

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rolmops said:
He preaches against gay marriage and then goes to a male prostitute.
Why is it that religion and hypocrisy go hand in hand?(mind you,I do not say faith)
If these are the people who are supposed to lead their flock,where will their flock end up?

My answer is very simple.
Religion is "man made" and goes hand in hand with hypocrisy.
FAITH is acted on. Belief in G*d or a higher power.

True prostitution is where any man/women gather (we call them churches in the US) and let another "HUMAN" tell you how to live your life.

my .02
 

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Link said:
True prostitution is where any man/women gather (we call them churches in the US) and let another "HUMAN" tell you how to live your life.

Link, that is a pretty strong statement, and one I will have to disagree with. The Bible tells us to "not forsake the assembling of ourselves together." Why, because we need each other. The Bible also tells us not to be blown around by every wind of doctrine. When we try to go it on our own, without anyone coming along side of us to help us and encourage us, it is easy to create our own god and worship him the way we want, instead of what G*d wants. (Look at what happened in Genesis - Abel gave an offering that God wanted, Cain did not).

When a church is functioning the way I feel it should, it should not be one person lording over the rest, but body of believers who are encouraging each other, helping each other, developing relationship with one another. It should become a way of life, not just seeing the back of people's heads one time a week. But it should be people helping people, a spiritual family, if you will, protecting each other, watching each others back, and encouraging each other on in the faith, at the same time providing a place for instruction, worship, and discipline (what kid doesn't need that in a family),

It should never be a place of prostitution, taking from others and telling them HOW to live, but it should be a place where we can SHOW and DEMONSTRATE how to live. And there should never be a double standard between the leaders and the followers.
 

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Heya Aspect
And yes that was meant to be a harsh statement.
An attention getter if you will. And if it gets just ONE person to look at their “church” and see that’s what they belong to. Then cut and run. I will have helped in a good thing.

I could give hundreds if not a thousand of examples.
But I’ll just pick this one.

One night in the 70’s a elder of our “church” called me to ask if I would talk to him about why we left that “church” I was working a night shift.

So I did stop by to explain.

While I was talking to him the other elders were at my “MY” home beating and kicking the crap out of my wife! In front of our children!

When I got home I found her lying in the hall with blood coming out of every orifice

What had she done wrong?
Her younger sister was living with the paster/preacher and had decided to run away.
She (my ex wife) had persuaded her younger sister to spend the night at our house and then go back home.

For that she got beat up.

BTW for you IBoaters. Art/Aspeck is a standup guy.

I also agree with you the way you read the scriptures.
It is the way I read them also.

Peace..
Link
 

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link I don't know what kind of "church" that is, but, I'm astounded at your report of behavior of the elders. Not following any example set by the Guy who put "Christ" in "Christian". I'd of not hesitated in bringing criminal charges against every one of 'em including the one who diverted your attention. I'd interested to hear how you responded.

Also I don't really understand use of the word "prostitute" in the context you used it in, but that's just a vocabulary thing - I agree with the principle about not being told how to live your life.

I get more than "religious leadership" from my church - it's pretty much a total support network. But I mean real support day-to-day when you need it - having real friends you can really trust. The "religion" part is more like, sort of, what others have done that worked for them. Everybody still gotta make his own decisions. With the added bonus of, people don't get beat up.
 

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jtexas
Not knowing the new iboats software as well as I should your going to have to scroll up then look down again for my answer.
(P)aragraph
1: The first thing I did was call LEO and what we cal 911 now.
"But" back then (70's) if was family or a church "FORGET IT" they weren't going to get involved. Did not Blame them then or now.

2: I should have used the word "prostitute" for ME! I knew in my heart of hearts was just not right.

3: I hope I well get to where you are now.
 
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