DEBATE

ebbtide176

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okay, curiosity is killing me - what/who are the abbrev. for? :rolleyes: <br /><br />hehehe. btw sbn- your 'ugly' pic didn't show up.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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ebb, right click on the pic and show pic.<br />Worked for me.<br />As far as initials go, well BC is Bill of course and ML is, yep you guessed it, Monica :D , and CP is Colin Powell.<br />Monica had to be there for moral SUPPORT :eek:
 

Beaux

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yeah spinner- your pic came up when I loaded it at work, but now it is dead.... I think this is some sort of conspiracy to prevent your presidential campaign from getting off the ground. :D :D :D <br />could be matt..as he has stepped into the spotlight left by your abscence!! :eek: :)
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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beaux, if you are seeing a red x, just right click it and click show picture.<br />I have not had any problem seeing it myself.<br />Let's keep debating.
 

crab bait

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sure i'd vote for HILLARY.. she did a heck-of-a-job last time she was president..<br /><br />except for NAFTA..( the worst thing ever )<br />but's offsetted somewhat by WELFARE REFORM..<br />(the best thing ever )<br /><br />she did GOOD...<br /><br />BALANCED buget.. in-the-black..( when was the last time that happend ?? ) <br />DEFICIT,, down to nothin'<br />the lowest unemployment EVER..<br />STOCKS highest ever.. ( besides alot of phoney ones..)<br />one,, if not the best ecomomies ever..<br />and on an on..<br /><br />bottom line ... <br /><br />were you better off 4 years ago..<br /><br />so yeah,, its hillary for sure...<br /><br />also tho ,, i do like COLIN POWELL.. <br />but don't know much on his domestic views..<br /><br />but he still wouldn't be our first 'black' president... cause BILL CLINTON took that honor... <br /><br /> ;)
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Well ladies and gents, this brings to a close of the first day of what will undoubtedly be a very heated DEBATE before it's all over.<br />Until tomorrow, this is Tim Russert saying good-night from the i-boats round table debate. :p
 

plywoody

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You see, the difference betweeen you and me, Beaux, is that I prefer honest debate.<br /><br />If you want to end social security, that's fine with me. That is a perfectly reasonable position to take. However, let's be honest and just say so up front and let the voters decide.<br /><br />But to just not be in a postion to fund it, and then say "Too bad, so sad--their ain't no money folks!--you should have planned ahead like I did!"<br /><br />Why that is just darn near dishonest in my view.<br /><br />Just like when Pres W got up to tout his dividend elimination, and says "It will be good for senior citizens". I really got a kick out of that one. I figured that the average senior on an otherwise fixed income would have to have say $30k of annual dividend income to be seriously affected, and at an average of 2.9% dividend for a dividend paying stock, the seniors we are going to help would have to have a portfolio of dividend paying stock in the 2 to 3 million range.<br /><br />Yep, those are sure the seniors I am most worried about!<br /><br />All I ask is you, and your politicians, just be honest is what you are doing, and not spin it as if it is going to help those that it isn't or pull little bait and switch tricks like pretending to favor things like social security while undercutting the funding for it. If they are popular, you ought to be able to sell them on their merits, and not have to spin them on their imaginary merits.
 

ebbtide176

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i do believe honesty is a good thing. tell us more, spill those beans you're hoarding. :D <br /><br />i vote SBN gets to throw in the "foul" flag when due...
 

Knoxes

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Seems to be atleast 2, maybe more, different discussions here. <br />1. jee - what you described is similar to the WPA program under FDR. He put the country to work - for example, you can thank that administration for the highway system in the US. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a socialist (this oughta get things going) - I've often thought that a capitalistic system breeds fear and distrust and therefore, more crime and social problems. But unfortunately, socialism, attractively ideal, hasn't proven successful and can't be until humanity evolves to civilization, from which we are far removed at this point. <br />2. There are other ways to live in this world. I think many of my fellow Americans fail to comprehend this. We can be a short-sighted nation with an inflated sense of rightousness. I believe in our right to defend ourselves and others - peacefully - until absolutely all other options have failed. I can't believe we are anywhere near a justification for killing. You would think in our evolution over 4 million years, that we would have risen above this by now. Makes me sad. <br /><br />Whew, been holding that one in for a long time. Alright guys, let me have it, I think I can take it ;) .
 

62_Kiwi

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Socialist! :eek: ....A prominent NZ politician (Sir Roger Douglas) once said words to the effect "If you want people to do something, pay them money to do it." That's the problem with socialist system. You pay people to do nothing and sure enough, that's what they'll do. The more money you pay out, the more people will be opting to do nothing in return. A sad but true fact of life.<br /><br />In my view, the worst thing you can do to a person's spirit is make life too easy and comfortable for them - for doing nothing in return - and take away the incentive to extend themselves and go the extra mile. Life was never meant to be easy, so in that respect the socialist system is not compatable with the challenging spirit of the human being.<br /><br />Regarding Saddam...now is the time for everyone who benefits from the "western" democratic way of life to lend their moral support to all the forces fighting the war against terrorism. There are still many battles to be fought and won - and the worst threat to their success is the potential lack of support from the very people they are fighting for.<br /><br />Saddam was not democratically elected, therefore he has no moral right to call himself the leader of Iraq. He is just a criminal holding Iraq to ransom. There will be no war against Iraq in my opinion - only a war against Saddam. What is about to happen, should have been done years ago.<br /><br />...just my 2 cents from all the way down here. ;)
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Hey EBB, I'm checking the rule book as we speak. :D <br />
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Beaux

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WwwOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!! ;) :) <br />How did I get a flag thrown on me???? I feel like the cornerback for miami who got the pass interference call in the endzone against Ohio State. I did nothing wrong.. I never said that it would be easy or that nothing would have to change. Hold on, something is stopping you from hearing and understanding my views without unfairly attacking words and pretenses put out by others and associating them with me. <br />Okay, (((meditating)))......(thats for you again EBB) <br />Gentlemen, lend me your ears. From now on, I will be represented by the great one- Johnny Cochran. The defender of the small,weak,underpriviledged, discriminated, shackled, and poor. (First I had to come up with the $200,000 retainer fee though) He also tends to find the ear of my counterpart Plywoody more easily than me ;) <br /><br />JC: First off, I must say that this plywoody character epitomizes and doesn't recognize the wrongs prejudicated towards the vastly underrepresented and overburdened common man...my client Beaux. <br /><br />JC: Fortunately, there is a 911 Iboats forum transcript above that articulates and demonstrates the actual events unfolding in this disturbing rush to judgement. <br /><br />JC: AS any homosapien or extraterrestrial can easily identify and correlate within their overly taxed and often to axed from their job because of NAFTA mind, my client NEVER utterred a dishonest argumentative answer to any of this EVIL,BAD man dictator of liberalism and tyranical clintonism.<br /><br />JC: To demonstrate this, my client will try to type the things that MR. plywoody has invented and prevented my client from defending his real views by fabricating and manipulating the jury here at Iboats. <br /><br />Beaux: I never said any of the remarks plywoody is referring to in his last post. I was arguing about my position and then he decided to take comments from the republican leadership and superimpose them onto me as if I said them. I simply never said any of that in this foru........<br /><br />JC: OK OK OK , thats enough Beaux. We now can comtemplate the clearly intentional and deceptive tactics that this prosecutor has used in his "rush to judgement". Your honor.... by the way, did I tell you I just LOVE kentucky ;) .... In closing, its unfair to isolate, demonstrate, and extrapolate the ideas from an entire nations political party and decide to individualize and therefore legitimize the excerpts of others to slander my poor innocent client. He simply never uttered the words .... thank you ..thank you :D <br /><br />well, I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for listening :cool:
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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"Well I guess if after all them profound words, and the mention of how you like Kentucky, that the Flag don't fit, so I will have to quit" :D
 

mattttt25

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gentlemen, i gladly accept your nomination. i guess i will need to defeat gw, hilliary, and monica. maybe i'll make monica my running mate, could make for some good private meetings ;) <br /><br />great debate-
 

SCO

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Well done Beaux. On to Knoxes post. <br /><br />Actually, we have evolved in the fire of war. The best warriors have won and survived in the darwinian fashion. The BofB didnt experience the same 60's cultural enlightenment that we did. Do you want to risk and sacrafice American lives to make a statement of peace by failing to meet the real threat we face?
 

Knoxes

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Ahh, you're baiting me SCO ;) - I don't want to lose any lives, that's my point. Anyone who dies as a result of this conflict is another demonstration of our failure to evolve into civilized beings. Therefore, there are no sacrifices, just tragedies.
 
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