Daughter assalted at school(Rant)

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Originally posted by aspeck:<br />[QB] Flahthead, First off, good to see your post - I'll be home next month, let's get together and catch some bass.<br /><br /><br />Hey Art. Sounds good to me, I am a little busy in June, have three fishing trips in the works. Maybe we can chase some fins in July.
 

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Terrible situation for sure. The school has more than likely followed policy and there is nothing else they will do. Getting the police involved sounds a little drastic IMO but I'm not in your situation so only you can decide. I don't however agree that home schooling is the solution to a bullying problem. Children will encounter many difficult situations as they grow and they must learn how to deal with them, not run away from them. Isolating them from the general school population IMO is not helping them later in life. Enrole them in self-defence classes. It does wonders for self-esteem, confidence and personal safety. Teach your children how to manage the problem and give them the tools they need to do that.
 

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Originally posted by RodC:<br /> Terrible situation for sure. The school has more than likely followed policy and there is nothing else they will do. Getting the police involved sounds a little drastic IMO but I'm not in your situation so only you can decide. I don't however agree that home schooling is the solution to a bullying problem. Children will encounter many difficult situations as they grow and they must learn how to deal with them, not run away from them. Isolating them from the general school population IMO is not helping them later in life. Enrole them in self-defence classes. It does wonders for self-esteem, confidence and personal safety. Teach your children how to manage the problem and give them the tools they need to do that.
How you are of the real problem. Bill Gates gave a commencement speech addressing a lot of this same stuff. The feel good, protect from others that the schools and parents cast upon the children WILL NOT prepare kids for the tough job of being an adult. Whereas home schooling may have it's significant benefits, can you imagine what good could be done for all of the students if the parents actually put that much effort into changing the establishment, not selfishly concentrating only on their children, but on the society as a whole? Don't get me wrong, protect you children and instill in them values. But shouldn't some of those values be a sense of the greater good? Which would be the greater good, yanking your kids out of school and teaching them at home, or working to change the school to a better place for ALL of the students? If you are honest, I think you would chose the latter. <br />When I was in school I was bullied and teased mercilessly. I got beat up regularly. I took up walking 1hr one way instead of riding the bus, so I could miss the pummeling before/after the ride. Did I have a low self-esteem, sure. Did I deal with it, or commit suicide, you know the answer to that. My point is even with adversity, if parents care for their children, their children will survive. My mother went to bat for me once when I got in trouble for beating a kid who tormented me to a bloody pulp. He was routinely beating me up, pushing in the mud, etc. One day I had enough, he started in with me, and I let him have it. I retaliated, the school focussed on me, and my mother was heard all the way out in the hall when she met with the principal. I was never bothered after that. I stood up for myself, my mother stood up for me, and the problem stopped. We moved the next year and the problem started again, new school, new bullies.<br />So get over yourselves. Equip your kids with the skills to cope, and let them live, and learn. Watch them, stay in touch with what is happening to them, and let the live. Home schooling deprives your children of the skills learned out of the classroom in the largest social environment they will experience. Like it or not, a child’s peers are important to their development too. Later in school, how do they have girlfriends/boyfriends, athletics, pep rallies, school dances, Prom, etc? And what if you can’t teach them topics they need to know for a chosen career path? I couldn’t teach or explain trig to my son. And no amount of material can make up for that lack of understanding and mentoring.<br /><br />Now for the original post, DO NOT GIVE UP! This bully needs greater punishment, or else sometime in the future she will really physically harm someone. “I got away with it before, why won’t this time be the same?” And violence only escalates. DO NOT GIVE UP, not for your daughter, or for that matter, for the bully. Who knows, if you stop her bad behavior now, you may be saving her from prison.<br /><br />I’m glad to hear your daughter wasn’t badly hurt. And from her accomplishments she’s pretty perfect. Especially by our current adolescent standards.
 

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Those of you that think the assailant or her parents need a good kicking are saying that violence is ok if you are big enough to give it back. <br />Violence is either ok or not .<br /><br />Decide which!
 

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This topic always gets me. Parents need to be held accountable for their childrens actions. The bully should be punished but if the parents aren't making an impact.....not much will change.<br /><br />It's sad that sometimes these things have to go to extemes for the school to react to a situation. the only ones that really get hurt are the children.<br /><br />My wife is a teacher and one of the main problems they deal with is violence. Kids get away with it at home with friends and family they figure it is all right at school. <br /><br />She teaches 4th grade and let me tell you there was a kid in there that was about 2 inches shorter then me (I'm 6' even) and out weighed me by at least 50 pounds.<br /><br />He would have no problem attacking my wife and overpowering her if he wanted to. Good thing he is one of the good kids.<br /><br />I could only imagine what could happen if a kid this size at that age could do to another 4th grader.<br /><br />My daughter will learn to defend herself when she goes to school it's as simple as that. This day and age it is a must. I will deal with the the consequences of the schools punishment when and if it happens. Trust me they DO NOT want to deal with me.<br /><br />Rule one for me is protect my kid and teach them to protect themselves.<br /><br />Welcome to the real world. :(
 

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Ya know, my 9 yr old goes to a school that the overwhelming majority would be considered from "problem families". And he never once has told me any problems about bullies. And I ask him all the time. I have taught him the take down method if it comes to that. He isnt a small kid, so that helps.<br /><br />Guess I am lucky.<br /><br />Ken
 

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I knew several kids in high-school that were home-schooled for a good portion of their lives. A good 80% of them were just plain wierd. They were normal enough in the classroom, and could interact well enough for brief conversations. However, if any social adversity began to manifest, they lacked the skills to deal with it. A little jest or harmless prank could very quickly and easily escalate into a huge mess. Eventually they were ostrasized for their lack of social skills, and their self-esteem would plummet as a result of the outcasting.<br /><br />Of the many, many kids I know that got bullied in school, most turned out normal. A few of them, in fact, benifited from the experience. I was one of them. The years of being chased around the playground in elementary school turned me into an all-star athlete in high school, resulting in many awards and trophies in both football and wrestling.
 

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Originally posted by Stratosfied:<br /> ... yesterday when school let out she was walking to the pick up area and a girl told her some profane things and then held her down by her hair.
I ain't no legal expert, but I know (as a school board member), anything that happens on our school's grounds, is the responsibility of the school. We post staff outside both before and after school, armed with walkie-talkies. There's also plenty of parents around. I think you'd have a good case for negligence on the part of the school. Assuming the pick up area is a spot designated by the school, they should be responsible for the safety of the students once they reach that spot.<br /><br />Certainly a little different environment (grades K-8 at a Catholic school), but even back in my days as a student in the Chicago Public School system, the rules were the same - you kept your business off the school grounds.
 

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Since my name is on this, I will keep it brief and general. I am a public school teacher, have worked in many different schools(Jr. and Sr. High) My words to you are, Parents BEWARE! What actually goes on in schools and what is reported to parents etc. is wildly different. My kids are home schooled and will never be subjected to a modern public school. Things have changed drasticly since you and I went to school, and not for the better.
 

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My son has been bullied by this kid at his school. we have been telling him to stand up by saying stuff back to the kid. the kids have been making fun of him because I won't let him sag his pants or have long hair. He told the kid this is the way I'm deal with it. them the next day the kid takes his glasses away from him my son snaches them back and this kid hits my kid in the face with a bag. the same day I write a letter for the kid to give his parents cause I wanted the say every emotion I was feeling them stating I wanted a face to face talk with his parents and hand them a rod saying spare the rod spoil the child I called the principal and talked to him asking for a parent confronce. and he called this guys mom he got 2 swats from principal and in trouble at school I don't know if his mom got note or not but next day he was nicer to my son. and my sons first self defence class is wed they also work with what to do if weapons are pulled on you sence the times haved changed. <br />It sucks that the kids theese days are so rude. and it is the ones that stand up for themselfs get in to trouble. I'm still a little ticked by this kid.<br />serenity
 

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Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br /> Whereas home schooling may have it's significant benefits, can you imagine what good could be done for all of the students if the parents actually put that much effort into changing the establishment, not selfishly concentrating only on their children, but on the society as a whole? [/QB]
David, that is about the biggest crock of you know what I have ever heard. "Oh, lets all hold hands and put flowers in our hair....la la la la ." Phhhhhhttt. Yeah....right.....<br /><br />I home school my son because I spent four years trying to make changes at two schools, his middle school and his high school, both of which I attended when I was a kid. I tried talking, and pleading, and going to the school board. Everyone knew there were problems, but the law does not allow them do anything about the thug lifestyle that these kids parents allow them to live. How the hell can I go into all these homes and teach all these parents how to raise their freaking little bastids with some common decency? You figure that one out and you'll win a Nobel Prize. It is the wacky liberal left wing policies that led society to the toilet it's in right now; so you are the LAST person who needs to tell me I'm selfish for providing my son with a brief respite from the social crap heap your ilk have created.<br /><br />Ok, rant over.....whew.
 
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I knew several kids in high-school that were home-schooled for a good portion of their lives. A good 80% of them were just plain wierd. They were normal enough in the classroom, and could interact well enough for brief conversations. However, if any social adversity began to manifest, they lacked the skills to deal with it. A little jest or harmless prank could very quickly and easily escalate into a huge mess. Eventually they were ostrasized for their lack of social skills, and their self-esteem would plummet as a result of the outcasting.<br />
Predjudice rears its ugly head. The politics of envy/hate.<br /><br />Ostrasized-maybe. Maybe because they ACTUALLY knew something.<br /><br />
Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br />Whereas home schooling may have it's significant benefits, can you imagine what good could be done for all of the students if the parents actually put that much effort into changing the establishment, not selfishly concentrating only on their children, but on the society as a whole? [/QB]
Again, I do not disagree with David L.Moore. I commend any that have "tried". It may be too little, too, late. The ONLY thing that school districts will recognize is a sharp decline in enrollment. When they do look for the following.<br /><br />1. They will lobby for MANDATORY enrollment.<br /><br />2. They will lobby for the banishment of home education.<br /><br />3. They will lobby for severe restrictions on private education. It will not be affordable, except to the socially elite or the super rich.<br /><br />Remember, the education unions are THE STRONGEST in the nation.
 

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IMHO school systems are outdated. Society ruled that building large housing projects created violence and domestic problems. Large schools is the problem also. Rather it be animals or humans, you will have problems when too many is put in an area all together.<br /><br />Many children now go to school to socialize instead of learning. The pressure a child faces from others to fit in is enormous. <br /><br />Blame should be shared on society as a whole and not just pinpointed to one view. With TV, movies, and music now days with its content, no wonder we have problems. <br /><br />I think sometimes when it comes to children having problems with other children, they need to resolve their differences without intevention from adults. However adult supervision still is required all the time be at school or home. This is why I say schools have gotten to big to supervise all the children. They can't do it and there is gonna be big problems. <br /><br />Sorry Strat about your daughter, I hope things will be worked out for you and her.
 

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I agree mayfloat-but one problem is that socialising is also a part of learning. In school is where you develop the social skills that help in later life.<br /><br />If you can't interact in a social situation you'd never manage a job interview with multiple interviewers or hold down a job in a crowded environment.<br /><br />Personally I'd get your daughter into a private school Strat.You usually get what you pay for-but that's just my opinion. It don't really count for much as I'm in the UK.<br /><br />Good luck.
 
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Nos4r2 wrote;<br /><br />
I agree mayfloat-but one problem is that socialising is also a part of learning. In school is where you develop the social skills that help in later life.<br />
Are you saying that home educated children are not socialized? If you are, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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I feel that the socializing that goes on at school does not teach our children anything about being an adult. Their socializing is that of drugs, sex, violence, theft, and how to get around adults.<br /><br />Nos4r2, before my kids started school, they didn't cuss and treated adults with respect. By the 3rd grade they were teaching me new words and new quiet a bit about sex. Now is this the socializing your talking about? How in the world does this help with a job interview and how to get along with society? That is what the teachers job is for. At least that is what I thought school was for.
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> Predjudice rears its ugly head. The politics of envy/hate.<br /><br />Ostrasized-maybe. Maybe because they ACTUALLY knew something.
Predjudice? Not hardly. I had noticed odd social behaviour in several individals, and I was perplexed. I brought it up to a friend, and only then when my friend informed me did I learn they were home-schooled.<br /><br />And to say they were ostrasized because they were more intelligent would never apply to my situation. My social circle included the Valedictorian, the Academic Team, and every brainiac/nerd on that campus. If they truly WERE smart, they would have been in our group. Home-schooled students might have been more intelligent than average, but still nowhere near the group that I hung out with.
 
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Wilkin wrote;<br /><br />
Predjudice? Not hardly. I had noticed odd social behaviour in several individals, and I was perplexed. I brought it up to a friend, and only then when my friend informed me did I learn they were home-schooled.<br /> And to say they were ostrasized because they were more intelligent would never apply to my situation.
That's a very predjudiced opinion. Get over it.<br /><br />Intellegence and education are two completely seperate issues. <br /><br />I can say the same for ANY government school attendee. I can think of many that can't read, write, or spell their own name. See, it's a "perception" thing.<br /><br />My sons (home educated) are too social, in my opinion. But, that's my opinion. I can say, however, that they lean toward clean living and "not following the herd" idiology. <br /><br />I'd be willing to bet that there are more murderers, rapists and all other sorts of thugs coming out of government schools. People are people. Again-"OPINION".<br /><br />It works both ways. Again, people are people.<br /><br />Your opinion DOES NOT overide mine. Unless, you get the government on your side, which you already have, and I might add have NO control over. I picked my way, do you have control over yours-I guess NOT.<br /><br />Deal with it.
 

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I saw on girl inavertently get food in her hair, and another girl pointed and giggled, as girls are known to do. The first girl threw her plate and punched the second girl in the face.<br /><br />I saw a kid in a game of touch-football get into a collision with another player, as is known to happen, even in a friendly game of football. The kid kicked, threw punches, even BIT the other player, and then continue playing as if nothing happened. It was so abnormal it made the rest of the game extemely uncomfortable.<br /><br />I have only personally witnessed a textbook thrown at a teacher three times in my life. Two situations were understandable, even expected, as they were in a special-needs class. I think you know where I'm going with the third situation.<br /><br />I can understand aggression or resentment in any of the above situations, but the actual reactions were WAY overboard, as if these student never learned the appropriate reactions to adversity or hostility.<br /><br />It was only AFTER all this that I learned all these students were home-schooled. Call it predjudice if you want, but I formed the opinion long before I had a common denominator.
 
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