Cops pose as beggars

[JB]

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This idea that belts are a personal choice and endanger nobody else is so much poppycock.<br /><br />In emergency maneuvers and minor collisions unbelted drivers are about 50 times as likely to lose control of a vehicle as belted drivers. Being held in place behind the wheel with feet in reach of pedals saves many another person's life.<br /><br />There was time that I got a break on insurance rates because I had belts and used them when they were rare off the track.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> In emergency maneuvers and minor collisions unbelted drivers are about 50 times as likely to lose control of a vehicle as belted drivers. Being held in place behind the wheel with feet in reach of pedals saves many another person's life.

I'd like to see some hard cold statistics on that one JB. <br /><br />But assuming you are correct, without a doubt, circumstances involving my previous analogy could have some statitical devestating unintended consequences as well but it is still proferred as 'personal choice' and as such, no one elses business.

 

[QC]

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Boomer,<br /><br />Ahem, a little consistency here . . . you choose to protect children in many arguments Kids need protection from stupid parents who might not otherwise buckle their kids. Yes, I know, nobody else should be telling you what to do with your kids, but you don't always believe that. You have physical abuse, then sexual abuse, then emotional abuse and then endangerment. Endangerment and worse is where I draw the line. Driving around with unbelted kids is dangerous for everyone in the car.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by Quietcat22:<br /> Boomer,<br /><br />Ahem, a little consistency here . . . you choose to protect children in many arguments Kids need protection from stupid parents who might not otherwise buckle their kids. Yes, I know, nobody else should be telling you what to do with your kids, but you don't always believe that. You have physical abuse, then sexual abuse, then emotional abuse and then endangerment. Endangerment and worse is where I draw the line. Driving around with unbelted kids is dangerous for everyone in the car.

Agreed QC, but it would be plain to see that I do not have any kids (or anyone else for that matter) in my overcrowded service van. Yet I would still be a victim of the overzealous, misplaced efforts by my State Gendarmes. Unless of course you think that they would look the other way when I pull off the freeway. <br /><br />BTW, when my kids were in my care, they wore seatbelts. I grew up in an era when they did not exist. The one accident I was in (no one else involved) I would have had my head crushed if I'd had a seatbelt/shoulder harness on.<br /><br />Simply, I demand the same choice as is being accorded others.

 

[QC]

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I understand. The sight of unbelted kids makes me crazy. Just wanted to remind some of one of the good reasons for belt laws. Can't always be about the individual. You know that one too . . .<br /><br />Speaking of consistency and kids, I favor circumcision, but think that parents who pierce their little girls ears ought to be slapped around . . . Who knows?

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by Quietcat22:<br /> Speaking of consistency and kids, I favor circumcision, but think that parents who pierce their little girls ears ought to be slapped around . . . Who knows?

Hmmmm? Sounds like good fodder for a new thread.

 

[Dunaruna]

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Well ya gunna like this then, boomyal. My son just got his nipple pierced. I should put a laughing face here, but it ain't no laughing matter .<br /><br />I don't know what the heck he was thinking.<br /><br />On the seatbelt issue - airbag + neck = snap! The neck & spine needs to be supported.

 

[QC]

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Holy carp, sorry to bring that up, Aldo. I wanna put a happy face too, but . . . I'm afraid to ask, how old is he?

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> This idea that belts are a personal choice and endanger nobody else is so much poppycock.

The idea that somebody not wearing their seatbelt is a more important problem than drunk drivers is much more poppycock.<br /><br />No matter how you look at it, the cops could be doing MUCH more important things with their time.

 

[Dunaruna]

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Originally posted by Quietcat22:<br /> Holy carp, sorry to bring that up, Aldo. I wanna put a happy face too, but . . . I'm afraid to ask, how old is he?

He's turned 20 last week. The weird thing is he has really cleaned up his act lately - full time job, helps around the house and yesterday he actually PAID me for a tank of gas because sometimes my wife drops him off and picks him up from parties (another sign of maturity, he doesn't drink & drive). He and I are even starting to have reasonable conversations, not just teenage dribble.<br /><br />Then he goes and gets a piercing - I don't understand.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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"Poppycock", always reminds me of Mrs. Hess....She was my adopted grandmother.... Cheese and rice I miss her.... I haven't heard that term in a long while....Thanks J.B... ....."QC" & Dunaruna, the skewering thread could be good ...or bad.....JK

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Dunaruna, this is worthy of a new topic.... ....JK

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Sorry for the hijack Robby.....I would like to think that us people up here get real tired of the government doing stuff..."For our own good".....We will visit the 'smoking ban' topic tomorrow!.... Yeesh.....JK

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br /> Then he goes and gets a piercing - I don't understand.

That's a tough one Aldo. Can't fathom the motivation for male body mutilation let alone some of the music they listen to.<br /><br />Ms. Boomyal told our young one (18) as he headed off to college, "come home with any body piercings or tatoos and that is the end of our support for your college".

 

[Link]

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Just got home and did a refresh on this thread.. <br />I'm still with ZmOz and SCAATY on this one.<br />It is a big pet peeve with me. 2:30am and Im going to bed.. but will try to post and even cover ZmOz 6 tomorrow evening!

 

[JB]

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Say, ZmOz.<br /><br />Nobody said that beltless drivers are more important than drunks.<br /><br />Do you think a drunk is gonna get away from a stop for any reason?<br /><br />An underlying motive for most "checkpoint" stops, whether they are "checking licenses" or ticketing beltless drivers, is to get a close look, smell and talk with drivers who might be DUI, unlicensed, uninsured, wanted, driving a stolen car, transporting illegal substances or any of a raft of other serious offenses.

 

[Fly Rod]

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I will continue not wearing a seat belt!!!!<br /><br />If seat belts are such a big deal, then why are they excluded from school buses and it isn't mandatory for cop cars to wear them!!!!

 

[BoatBuoy]

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The health, safety, and wellbeing of children often times goes beyond whether they wear seatbelts or not. <br /><br />My children, both grown now, depended on me for that. <br /><br />If I had not been around, their life would have been quite different, so it was important for me to also wear seatbelts.

 

[KRS]

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I disagree on the seatbelt issue. I think that seatbelts keep a driver in control of a vehicle longer during a collision or evasive maneuvers.<br /><br />Seatbelts DO help others on the road... it protects them from YOU careening out of control because your butt couldn't stay in front of the wheel.

 

[QC]

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Fly Rod,<br /><br />They don't allow seat-belts in School Buses because they can be used as weapons . . .<br /><br />There are exceptions to almost everything, but the data overwhelmingly supports the use of seat-belts . . .<br /><br />This is from NHTSA<br /><br />Safety Belts Save Lives And Dollars<br /><br />Safety belts saved over 12,000 American lives in 2001. However, during this same year, nearly two-thirds (60 percent) of passenger vehicle occupants killed in traffic crashes were unrestrained.7<br /><br />Research has shown that lap/shoulder belts, when used properly, reduce the risk of fatal injury to front-seat passenger car occupants by 45 percent and the risk of moderate to critical injury by 50 percent. For light truck occupants, safety belts reduce the risk of fatal injury by 60 percent and moderate-to-critical injury by 65 percent.8<br /><br />Safety belts should always be worn, even when riding in vehicles equipped with air bags. Air bags are designed to work with safety belts, not by themselves. Air bags, by themselves, have a fatality-reducing effectiveness of only 12 percent.9<br /><br />Safety belt use saves society an estimated $50 billion annually in medical care, lost productivity, and other injury related costs.10<br /><br />Conversely, safety belt non use results in significant economic costs to society. The needless deaths and injuries from safety belt non use result in an estimated $26 billion in economic costs to society annually.11 The cost of unbuckled drivers and passengers goes far beyond those killed and the loss to their families. We all pay--in higher taxes and higher health care and insurance costs.