Christmas shopping online

Mark42

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Been doing all my Christmas shopping online this year. Also make sure that the retailers do not charge tax and have free shipping. I "bundle" the purchases together so that shipping is free (most of the time).

Got me thinking about how much revenue the state is losing on purchases. To date, the retailers have made such a fuss about having to collect and pay state taxes on out of state purchases, that only retailers with physical locations in your state are required to collect state tax. The whole process of keeping track of state tax rates, shipping state and purchase state, etc is a real burden to retailers. Its no wonder they don't want to collect tax. And with the low interest rates (below 1%) there is no incentive to hold tax money to get the float interest.

I wonder how much longer this "no tax" situation will continue. I'm afraid that this year the physical retail locations (ie Walmart, Kmart, Sears, JCPenny, etc) will take a hit on sales that were done online to online only retailers to beat tax. Then they will start to complain.

In the beginning,(aka just 5 or 6 years ago) tax free online shopping was a hot topic, but the sales were so small, no one complained about the loss of tax revenue, and the topic dropped off the radar. With all the talk about federal tax raises, I'm sure the state tax issue will raise its head again.

I hope the internet stays tax free.

Yes, I am aware that I am supposed to report and pay taxes on "out of state" purchases on the state tax return. But until they come knocking on my door, I have made no out of state purchases.
 

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I have not found any tax free retailer's anymore for years.

Everyone I deal with collects it.......

The only tax free areas near me is New Hampster :)D) when I am physically there.
 

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I have not found any tax free retailer's anymore for years.

Everyone I deal with collects it.......

The only tax free areas near me is New Hampster :)D) when I am physically there.

Any online store that does not have a physical location in your state does not collect state tax.

For example, B&h photo has a store in NYC. I order from them and have the merchandise shipped to NJ. There is no sales tax on the order, because B&H does not have a store in NJ. Big orders are free shipping. Taxes are supposed to be paid with my state tax return. "Supposed to" is the operative words.....

So a purchase from online retailers like B&h can be free shipping, deep discount prices, and no tax. Why go to a store?
 

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So a purchase from online retailers like B&h can be free shipping, deep discount prices, and no tax. Why go to a store?

Buying everything online hurts your local economy. If nobody buys from our local marina (for example) there will be no local marina. They may shut down and we won't have them when we need them...

With that said, I do buy some stuff from places like iboats. The only reason I do throw some of my business there way is because of this forum. They are giving back to us, so I show them some love. But I don't buy from them because I'm worried about a discount.
 

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I have not found any tax free retailer's anymore for years.
Anything that sells on Amazon that is actually sold by Amazon is tax free for me. Is that not true for you?
 

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The same goes here, I never paid sales tax on anything bought online. :)

We pay 8.75% sales tax here. :mad:

We also pay a NYS tax of $4.35 on a pack of cigarettes. :eek:

Then NYS filed a lawsuit so we can't buy cigarettes online anymore. :mad: . :mad:
 

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Not collecting sales tax probably doesn't remove our obligation to pay it, depending on the rules of your state. I know this is the case in Minnesota. They even have a form on the MN Dept. of Revenue website for such purposes. I'm pretty sure that it's not a heavily used form.
If we buy a sales taxable item, and we don't pay sales tax to the state in which we purchased it, or to MN, we're supposed to pony up.
Right.......................
 

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Buying everything online hurts your local economy. If nobody buys from our local marina (for example) there will be no local marina. They may shut down and we won't have them when we need them...

With that said, I do buy some stuff from places like iboats. The only reason I do throw some of my business there way is because of this forum. They are giving back to us, so I show them some love. But I don't buy from them because I'm worried about a discount.

Interesting comment. The merchandise I bought so far this year for Christmas presents, (Nikon camera, Sony camera, large solid oak picture frames, wood and brass coat rack, Classic Movie DVD's, Book Reader, Spotlight, Compass, various stainless steel kitchen utensils, a took kit, pocket knife, 303 Protectant, premium Chamois, Auto Meter brand Tire Pressure Gauge, Meguairs Teak Oil, Creative Zen MP3 player and Diamond eternity ring) were all not available at my local stores/mall, or if they were available, I would have to drive all over to find them, and spend lots of time and gas. But they were all available online. The only item I bought online that is available local is an Oster kitchen blender. I included it in an online order just to save the trip.

This year people are getting what they put on the Amazon wish lists, and not just whatever I find in the mall.
 

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Yeah, sorry, but supporting my "local" big box retailer doesn't really matter a whole lot to me.
 

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And again they have proposed a Federal sales tax on internet sales.
Open another door, and in walks a monster.
 

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Interesting comment. The merchandise I bought so far this year for Christmas presents, (Nikon camera, Sony camera, large solid oak picture frames, wood and brass coat rack, Classic Movie DVD's, Book Reader, Spotlight, Compass, various stainless steel kitchen utensils, a took kit, pocket knife, 303 Protectant, premium Chamois, Auto Meter brand Tire Pressure Gauge, Meguairs Teak Oil, Creative Zen MP3 player and Diamond eternity ring) were all not available at my local stores/mall, or if they were available, I would have to drive all over to find them, and spend lots of time and gas. But they were all available online. The only item I bought online that is available local is an Oster kitchen blender. I included it in an online order just to save the trip.

This year people are getting what they put on the Amazon wish lists, and not just whatever I find in the mall.

It wasn't meant to be a jab at ya... I was just stating that if everyone bought everything off the net, there wouldn't be any place to buy from locally.

FWIW, I could find pretty much everything on your list locally (in the city I live in), sure I would have to drive a little bit, but its not the end of the world. Plus, while your at the marina buying 303, you could have a chance to drool all over the new boats. ;)
 

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Yeah, sorry, but supporting my "local" big box retailer doesn't really matter a whole lot to me.

Yeah... I wouldn't be concerned either. The employee's of those "big box stores" don't live in your community, own a home, buy groceries, send their kids through school, pay income tax, etc, etc... They don't need to sell you an ipod or a DVD player when you can save a few bucks online. :rolleyes:

See my point?
 

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When I think back to 70's and 80's and all the time spent walking the mall looking for stuff that often was sold out, I am amazed we used to do that. Huge check out lines, rude people, can't find parking, etc.

I drove past the mall this afternoon. The parking lot was mostly empty. Wonder what it will look like this weekend.

BTW, my wife went out on "black Friday" and said there were practically no check out lines, no problems getting parking, and so few people it was easy to move about in the stores. Thank Al Gore. He invented the internet, remember? :D
 

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Its a lot "greener" buying online than driving around.
 

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642mx, Did anybody cry that Wally World put all the small Mom & Pop places out of business. :mad:

If you didn't shopped the [Big box stores ] they would be still in business.:)
 

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Anything that sells on Amazon that is actually sold by Amazon is tax free for me. Is that not true for you?

Amazon charges me tax on everything shipped to NY. It depends on if the retailer (Amazon, in this case) has an agreement with NY state to collect taxes.
 

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642mx, Did anybody cry that Wally World put all the small Mom & Pop places out of business. :mad:

If you didn't shopped there [Big box stores ] they would be still in business.:)

Who said I shop at Wally World?...
 

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Don't act surprised when your state mails you a form to fill out for all of your online purchases.
 

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Don't act surprised when your state mails you a form to fill out for all of your online purchases.

Its already part of the state income tax return. I'd be surprised if even a small percentage of residents fill it out.
 

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We need to wake up to modern business practices, not the one's from the 1960's. They no longer work.

If you buy online, your are "buying local" somewhere, just not where you live. There are buildings that were built, employees, local taxes being paid and other local supporting business used.

There is a music instrument business "retailer" near me that is one of the largest in the country. Construction workers, built a huge building, there are warehouse and customer sales/support workers, admin, etc. They sell and promote locally, even having instrument lessons, but the VAST amount of their business, is online sales. We have purchased online from them and we live 12 miles away (they had free shipping).

BTW, Mom and Pop can compete easily and prosper, with a Super Walmart, right next door. (seeing it done) How do they perform this magic? They sell higher end product and products that Walmart does not sell. Rocket science?
 
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