Censure the President! .. yep it's Feingold

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Pointer, <br /> <br />I'll say it again. I think Mrbscott meant to give an example of those on the left getting caught "bluffing" or "screwing up" or hands caught in the cookie jar.<br /><br />Like your previous post, you practice this shotgun approach. You throw out a bunch of names and make a bunch of accusations. :confused: I see a kind of a pattern of staying on point. I don't know, is Pointer94 some kind of ironic twist. :p <br /><br />You know Pointer as much as you and I have disagreed politically I've grown kind of fond of you. ;) I really had fun razzing you about the plagiarizing epesode. In fact I'm laughing just thinking about it again. Here's to more debates. :D :p
 

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And I have grown fond of you jmonica. ;) Was the worst of days for me. :( But your charactorization of plagurization is typical of your approach.... What you think mrbscott meant is irrelavent to what he wrote.<br /><br />Fifth request what has lil' russ done for national security?
 

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jimonica, your thought process needs some honing, because it can't cut it.<br /><br />Are you diluted enough to believe that the US hasn't been the target of major terrorist plots from within this country since 9/11, plots that have been discovered and stopped by our gov't?<br /><br />**********<br /><br />I too am laughing that jimonica is the self-appointed translator and public relations officer for mrbscott, hehehe.
 

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Pointer,<br /> <br />If you want to see what the left really thinks of Chris Mathews go to the link below. Media Matters named him "The Misinformer of the Year".<br /> <br /> http://mediamatters.org/items/200512230005 <br /><br />With friend like Mathews we don't need anymore enemies.
 

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wow, one website speaks for all liberals? what a liberal ideal, "if it's on the internet, it must be true".
 

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quote: from Mrbscott,<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Originally posted by dogsdad:<br />The democrats have made quite a joke of themselves over the last few years. The frequency with which they get caught bluffing or otherwise screwing up is comical, and the frequency with which their apologists in the so-called mainstream media get caught with their hands in the cookie jar is a veritable riot!<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />"For every example you can point out for dems, I can point out 3 for repubs. So please, by all means, give us some examples of what you're talking about."<br /><br />Now where in dogsdad's quote or in Mrbscott's are talking or looking for names. Dogsdad made some accusation of behavior and Mrbscott ask for examples. <br /><br />Pointer, you came back and started off with a list of names. I think you missed the point. (pardon the pun)
 

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KRS wrote,<br /><br />wow, one website speaks for all liberals? what a liberal ideal, "if it's on the internet, it must be true".<br /><br />How many websites do you want KRS, before you believe me that Chris Mathews is no friend of the lefts?
 

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Pointer,<br /><br />Below is a link that will show Katie Couric spinning for the Republicans. While your there why don't you run a search using "Katie Couric" and you will find quite a list of items showing Couric spinning for the Republicans.<br /><br /> http://mediamatters.org/items/200602020003
 

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Former congressional staffer to Tip O'Neil isn't a liberal. A guy who was a speechwriter for Jimmy Carter is a conservative. Thanks for posting.<br /><br />I got a message for lil' russ..<br /><br />
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Pointer asked,<br /><br />"Fifth request what has lil' russ done for national security?" <br /><br />Well, he did vote against going to Iraq.
 

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Pointer wrote,<br /> <br />"Former congressional staffer to Tip O'Neil isn't a liberal. A guy who was a speechwriter for Jimmy Carter is a conservative. Thanks for posting."<br /> <br />Mathews may have been a Dem back then, but believe me he ain't no Dem now!<br /><br />Mathews said on air, "I'm much more conservative than people think", "I'm prolife" and "I voted for Bush". What more do you want?
 

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BTW,<br /><br />Mathews brother just won the Republican nomination for Secretary of State for the state of Pennsylvania. Since then Mathews has had some local Philadelphia conservative talk show host on his program about 5 times. While on the radio this guy promotes Mathews brother quite heavily.
 

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Sorry jimonica, I do not accept homework assignments from mrbscott or from you or from anyone else. You figure it all out for yourself, because I'm not going to waste another minute arguing with you because you don't want to accept the fact that America has REJECTED the democratic party and we are left with the republicans (God help us) to lead us through the war. If all you can do is *****, go ***** to someone who will listen.
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> <br />Mathews said on air, "I'm much more conservative than people think", "I'm prolife" and "I voted for Bush". What more do you want?
One LAST response for you, sir...all that means is that maybe Matthews can see that the democrats are a dangerous bunch of clowns. That in itself does NOT make him a republican. I can make those same three statements, and I can assure you: I am not a republican! But I sure as H#LL ain't a democrat either.
 

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Quote from Dogsdad,<br /><br />"If all you can do is *****, go ***** to someone who will listen."<br /><br />Classy Dogsdad, very classy. :( <br /><br />You know I've been asked for proof of my beliefs quite a bit on this site. I don't make a statement that I can't back up.<br /><br />This is the first and only chat room or blog or whatever this is called that I participate in and I stumbled on it purely by accident when I was looking for boating parts and a little advice. But I kind of got my own little rule that I try to go by. And that is don't lose your cool and start name calling because if you do, you just conceded to losing the debate. <br /><br />And besides I have to give some of you guys credit. Your formidable debaters and I appreciate that because I feel I've sharpened my skills a bit to use on my inlaws and for that I thank you guys. And if I ever go over the line I hope someone will remind of my rule. Thanks. :)
 

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I believe this should clear up any controversy of where Chris Matthews is on his political stance. It seems that he is about where I am he a make up his own mind, thinks takes in information, for himself, and gets mighty suspicious when he hears political ideologues any side.from <br /><br />By Chris Matthews<br />Updated: 4:44 p.m. ET June 17, 2004<br />I had a unique vantage point on Ronald Reagan. For six years, I was top aide to Speaker of the House Thomas P. “Tip” O’Neill, otherwise known as Ronald Reagan’s No. 1 rival. Before that I was a presidential speechwriter for Jimmy Carter, the man he beat to win the White House. <br />I first met President Reagan himself in the speaker’s ceremonial office. It was the president’s “holding room” for the 1982 State of the Union. <br />“Welcome, Mr. President, to the room where we plot against you!” I said. <br />“Not after six,” he answered without a second’s hesitation. “The speaker says that here in Washington we’re all friends after six!”<br />Yes, it really happened that way. As the speaker’s aide, I was that a wise guy and Ronald Reagan was that masterful in taking command.<br />Reagan was a tougher, more on-guard character than the guy you’d figure from his breezy public personality— more Jimmy Cagney than Jimmy Stewart. <br />The Ronald Reagan I met in the speaker’s room was the guy who had survived his divorce from Jane Wyman, the decline of his movie career, the cancellation of his TV show, and the cruel social downgrading that rides shotgun on such defeats. <br />People forget: Reagan defeated Bobby Kennedy in debate before the Oxford Union. <br />He was the political street fighter who got up off the dirt to win the 1976 North Carolina primary when nearly everybody counted him for dead. <br />He was the cold-blooded gladiator who strode to the podium of that year’s Republican convention and delivered such a barn-burner it made people wonder what Gerald Ford, the party nominee, was doing on the stage.<br />He was the no-nonsense boss who fired thirteen thousand striking U.S. air traffic controllers. <br />Like millions who watched television in the 1950s, I had gotten to know and like Reagan during his eight years hosting the old "General Electric Theater." To me back then, Ronald Reagan was simply the guy I shared my Sunday evenings with. <br />And talk about an audience: In its third year on the air, the 1955-1956 season, "G.E. Theater" was the No. 3-rated show on television. For many years, it was the No. 1 show in its time slot. This is where the professionals blew it. To Pat Brown, the California governor Reagan unseated in 1966, Ronald Reagan was just a “B-movie actor.” Looking back on his defeat years later, Pat Brown, that first professional he knocked off in an election, realized that thanks to television, Reagan was always one of us while his Democratic rivals were always a part of “them.”<br />There was another thing his critics never got about the man even they came to admit was a great communicator: from the beginning, Reagan was a man with a cause. I remember the time he opened "G.E. Theater" by saying that the story he was about to introduce mattered to him “personally.” It concerned a woman who had been hoodwinked into joining a Communist front group. <br />Let’s face it. Every cab driver knew that Reagan wanted to beat the Communists abroad and to cut government and taxes at home.<br />Ronald Reagan liked to call himself a “citizen-politician,” but he started running for president, I figure, practically from the day he left "GE Theater" in 1962. His speech for Barry Goldwater in 1964 was really the kick-off to his own run. His campaign for California governor in 1966 was a career arrow aimed directly at the White House. <br />By 1980, he was ready to hit the target.<br />Can anyone look at the record of this administration and say, ‘Well done?’” he asked the Republican National Convention which had just nominated him for President. “Or at the state of our economy when the Carter administration took office with where we are today and say, ‘Keep up the good work!’?”<br />“Can anyone look at our reduced standing in the world today and say, ‘Let’s have four more years of this’?”<br />As an aide to President Carter, I smelled trouble. We weren’t running against a Republican: we were running against the republic!<br />What were the secrets to Reagan’s success? I can think of three strengths he carried with him into the political arena: <br />(1) Ronald Reagan knew why he wanted to be president.<br />(2) He knew how to talk to real people.<br />(3) He could describe his feelings about our country invoking the spirit most Americans share but have trouble expressing.<br /><br />When Reagan spoke about “the boys” who stormed Normandy, or the astronauts lost in the Challenger, he tapped into the deepest sentiments of his hero-worshipping compatriots. While he may never have fought in World War II, he evoked its aura with greater success than anyone who had ever lived on K-rations. <br />The only times he got into trouble as president were occasions when neither Communism nor big government came into play. The decision to deploy the Marines in Lebanon in 1983 and the arms-for-hostages deal of three years later were two situations when his worldview failed him.<br />The troubling truth— and it’s true of the best politicians—is that he was just as compelling when he was fudging the facts. Reagan could recount a scene from a movie as it actually happened. He told Israeli prime-minister Yitzhak Shamir and Nazi-chaser Simon Wiesenthal that he had photographed the death camps for the Army Signal Corps when he’d merely screened and perhaps helped to edit, the film footage of the liberation.<br />It was a stunning experience to hear Ronald Reagan say so confidently, in his TV debate with Carter—what I knew to be untrue—that he had been advocate of Medicare in its early days. But all most people remember from that evening was Reagan’s put-away line: “There you go again, Mr. President.” With those six withering words, the challenger reduced the incumbent to a desperate, sweating hack clinging to a great office he was no longer strong enough to fill.<br />Reagan entered the pantheon of mythical American heroes with the grace and humor he exhibited after the assassination attempt on him in March of his inaugural year. “Honey, I forgot to duck,” he told wife Nancy. And, “I hope you’re all Republicans,” he kidded the doctors as he was wheeled into the operating room. An actor who had spent decades playing heroes suddenly had transcended the back lot and its illusions.<br />Where presidents since Kennedy were willing to co-exist with the USSR, Reagan demanded that Gorbachev tear down the Berlin Wall. <br />I think that the man who played George Gipp in “Knute Rockne: All American” never stopped trying to reinvent the forward pass. Why couldn’t the bold play that won on the cinematic football fieldwork on the U.S. economy? Instead of endless trench warfare over budget cuts, Reagan would surprise his rivals with some razzle-dazzle: a big tax cut. Instead of competing with the Soviets on how many missiles we could deploy at each other, he’d commission a missile shield that would render their missiles irrelevant.<br />Ronald Reagan did not “win” the Cold War but he belongs in the roster of those who did. That list began with President Harry Truman, who drew the line on Soviet expansion in Europe with the Marshall Plan and the Truman Doctrine. It includes all the other Cold War presidents of both parties who contained Communism until it could destroy itself. What set Reagan apart in the Cold War was his insistence that there be a winner and a loser.
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> ...I kind of got my own little rule that I try to go by. And that is don't lose your cool and start name calling because if you do, you just conceded to losing the debate....
Soooooooooo, your King George comment is against your beliefs huh? Your beliefs must not mean much to you, since you so easily betray them.<br /><br />As for website, do you honestly think that any number of websites can speak for all liberals? That belief, also, is flawed. Good luck.
 

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KRS wrote,<br />quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Originally posted by jimonica:<br />...I kind of got my own little rule that I try to go by. And that is don't lose your cool and start name calling because if you do, you just conceded to losing the debate....<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />"Soooooooooo, your King George comment is against your beliefs huh? Your beliefs must not mean much to you, since you so easily betray them."<br /><br />Nice try KRS. You know very well the context of that comment was geared toward fellow Iboat members. I even provided a quote from dogsdad so there wouldn't be any confusion. Public figures are open game. I guess your showing desperation at trying to win an issue when this is what you've now resorted to. :confused: <br /><br />KRS wrote,<br /><br />"As for website, do you honestly think that any number of websites can speak for all liberals? That belief, also, is flawed. Good luck."<br /><br /><br />No I don't think that, I never said that, them are your own words KRS. Your debating with yourself. Read below for another of your statement on the same subject. :confused: <br /><br />Quote from KRS,<br /><br />"wow, one website speaks for all liberals? what a liberal ideal, "if it's on the internet, it must be true"."<br /><br />Good luck to you also KRS. :)
 

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Mathews said on air, "I'm much more conservative than people think", "I'm prolife" and "I voted for Bush". What more do you want? <br /><br />What exactly does that mean. It shows a liberal who clearly doesn't know what it means to be a conservative. He doesn't like killing babies and a blind man could see that Kerry was a trainwreck. And something about his brother? Ronald Reagan Jr. is so far left Maureen Dowd thinks he is extreme. A web site award proves he is a conservative? I expect better than that from you..... Did you read their examples? Have you seen his show? Its like an auctioneer on crack for 60 minutes. They found 10 examples where he wasn't cruicifing the administration in a years worth of programs and this is proof. And your quote from him doesn't say he is a conservative, he just states he isn't a socialist or communist like most of the journalists.<br /><br />And pointing to lil' russ's vote isn't an example of anything. Why he voted was more about politics than anything. And this vote in particular proves my point. What has he done? Nothing. I don't sleep better at night knowin lil' russ is out there beating the drum for cowardise.
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> KRS wrote,<br /><br />wow, one website speaks for all liberals? what a liberal ideal, "if it's on the internet, it must be true".<br /><br />How many websites do you want KRS, before you believe me that Chris Mathews is no friend of the lefts?
Right there, you stated that you can give websites that prove all liberals don't like Chris Mathews... so again, unless there is a website for every liberal in the country, you are making generalized statements that are supposed to cover "every" liberals viewpoint... don't you see the humor in that thought??? you should, because it's downright funny.<br /><br />To clarify, so it's easier, you asked "how many website do I want so I can know that he isn't a friend to the liberals", that seems to be YOUR words, and not mine, like you imply.
 
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